Prime Holyfield vs prime Joe Frazier

[Master]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

[Max Power]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

[brocktonblockbust]

what?

[Master]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

Joe Frazier was champion and olympic gold medalist and Leapai is not. How dare you equate the 2 together.

[Max Power]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

Joe Frazier was champion and olympic gold medalist and Leapai is not. How dare you equate the 2 together.

I didn't equate the 2 together at all, I clearly separated them totally.

In Frazier's era, he won a gold medal and the HW championship. Against the criteria of his day, he achieved greatness that Alex Leapai does not even deserve a sniff at by the criteria of HIS era.

Agaisnt the criteria of Leapai's era though, Joe Frazier would never make it to the national or maybe even state side at Amateurm let alone the Olympics. He would never develop any aspirations to become a pro boxer at all because he wouldn't be good enough and were he to try he would never pass the medical test to be registered because he was half-blind (assuming that incident still occurred).

And were the Joe Frazier that WAS ever to have met the Leapai that IS in the same ring under some circumstance, Leapai would knock Frazier out in the first round under pretty much ANY circumstances! That is a fact!

And it takes nothing away from Frazier's greatness to say that! Frazier is STILL great! What he did in 1971 is still there. It will ALWAYS be there. It cannot NOT be there.

But that WAS 1971. And it is now nearly 2015!

[Master]

Do not call Joe blind, bum or avoiding punchers then.

[Max Power]

Do not call Joe blind, bum or avoiding punchers then.

I HAVE called Joe a bum previously so you have got me there, but I refrained myself this time by omitting that single derogatory comment out.

By my OWN little rating system, Frazier only lost 4 fights, hence, is not a bum.

But whether he ducked them or happenstance was the case, he did not fight the bigger punchers of his era like Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle etc.

And that Frazier was blind on 1 eye is simply a fact. It is what it is.

You can pump up Frazier's heart and talent for achieving what he did DESPITE being blind on 1 eye.

But you can also look at it that to be able to become HW champ seeing with only 1 eye as some kind of evidence of a weak era.

[Master]

Do not call Joe blind, bum or avoiding punchers then.

I HAVE called Joe a bum previously so you have got me there, but I refrained myself this time by omitting that single derogatory comment out.

By my OWN little rating system, Frazier only lost 4 fights, hence, is not a bum.

But whether he ducked them or happenstance was the case, he did not fight the bigger punchers of his era like Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle etc.

And that Frazier was blind on 1 eye is simply a fact. It is what it is.

You can pump up Frazier's heart and talent for achieving what he did DESPITE being blind on 1 eye.

But you can also look at it that to be able to become HW champ seeing with only 1 eye as some kind of evidence of a weak era.

You could say the same thing about Wlad being unbeaten for 10 years and having 17 defences.

[brocktonblockbust]

Do not call Joe blind, bum or avoiding punchers then.

I HAVE called Joe a bum previously so you have got me there, but I refrained myself this time by omitting that single derogatory comment out.

By my OWN little rating system, Frazier only lost 4 fights, hence, is not a bum.

But whether he ducked them or happenstance was the case, he did not fight the bigger punchers of his era like Mac Foster, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Cleveland Williams, Ron Lyle etc.

And that Frazier was blind on 1 eye is simply a fact. It is what it is.

You can pump up Frazier's heart and talent for achieving what he did DESPITE being blind on 1 eye.

But you can also look at it that to be able to become HW champ seeing with only 1 eye as some kind of evidence of a weak era.

Joe was already shot--I say Joe was shot about 60% after the brutal beating Ali laid on him on March 8, 1971, and Big George Foreaman took the other 40% out of him in January 1973 in Kingston, Jamaica. Frazier had nothign left after that. Cleveland wms? He was done by the time Joe won the Gold and was any kind of contender. Why would Joe fight HIM? Liston was already done in '65. Why woud Joe fight HIM? Lyle and Shavers peaked way after Joe was already shot. And Norton wasnt a big puncher AT ALL>

Give Joe some credit for taking a 2nd fight with Goerge Foreman in 1975. How's that 2nd fight "avoiding the big punchers"?

[Dia bando]

Who did Joe Frazier avoid? What big punchers?

You are really talking rubbish.

The ma was undisputed champion and had one of the longest reigns. Do not disrespect the great heavyweight champion and then praise bums of this year.

Otherwise I will get angry.

I respect Joe Frazier, the BOXER.

I do not respect Joe Frazier, the mythology!

In terms of ATGness, Frazier > Leapai (obviously)

In terms of H2H Leapai > Frazier (also obviously)

Joe Frazier was champion and olympic gold medalist and Leapai is not. How dare you equate the 2 together.

I didn't equate the 2 together at all, I clearly separated them totally.

In Frazier's era, he won a gold medal and the HW championship. Against the criteria of his day, he achieved greatness that Alex Leapai does not even deserve a sniff at by the criteria of HIS era.

Agaisnt the criteria of Leapai's era though, Joe Frazier would never make it to the national or maybe even state side at Amateurm let alone the Olympics. He would never develop any aspirations to become a pro boxer at all because he wouldn't be good enough and were he to try he would never pass the medical test to be registered because he was half-blind (assuming that incident still occurred).

And were the Joe Frazier that WAS ever to have met the Leapai that IS in the same ring under some circumstance, Leapai would knock Frazier out in the first round under pretty much ANY circumstances! That is a fact!

And it takes nothing away from Frazier's greatness to say that! Frazier is STILL great! What he did in 1971 is still there. It will ALWAYS be there. It cannot NOT be there.

But that WAS 1971. And it is now nearly 2015!

What a load of rubbish you and Bill Paxo, must do lunch together you like Bill must have had to many
stupid tablets.