Who is a better defensive fighter: Pep or Mayweather?

[Beanflicker]

Pep isn't in Mayweather's league to be honest. Pep was a quick runner with great reflexes who could control range, but he had a lot of trouble protecting himself on the inside. Saddler got him against the ropes and brutalized him. Floyd has the runner/range controller dimension, but he also had the ability to fight in the pocket and protect himself on the inside and under pressure.

In a nutshell, Pep excelled when he could control where the fight took place, Floyd excels wherever the fight takes place.

To be honest, in terms of defensive ability I don't think Pep is in the same league as Mayweather, Whitaker or Locche. Three guys who could slip punches from any distance, from any angle, and who were never knocked out

[Beanflicker]

Willie Pep was great, but not in the same discussion with guys who were wizards on the outside AND the inside.

[SlimTrae]

Willie Pep was great, but not in the same discussion with guys who were wizards on the outside AND the inside.

Thanks for the links, I just mentioned Niccolino Loche as a fighter from the past who had skills. It is almost as if most of todays fight fans feel ALL fighters from the past were brutes with no skills.
This is one of my favorite compilation on Loche which proves otherwise. Oh & the music score is pretty slick as well!!

[SugarBoxing]

I would love to see Pep defending his title in a big ring and Mayweather chasing him all around. That would school mayweather in why fans hate bicycling in the ring

[La Cucaracha]

Pep isn't in Mayweather's league to be honest. Pep was a quick runner with great reflexes who could control range, but he had a lot of trouble protecting himself on the inside. Saddler got him against the ropes and brutalized him. Floyd has the runner/range controller dimension, but he also had the ability to fight in the pocket and protect himself on the inside and under pressure.

In a nutshell, Pep excelled when he could control where the fight took place, Floyd excels wherever the fight takes place.

To be honest, in terms of defensive ability I don't think Pep is in the same league as Mayweather, Whitaker or Locche. Three guys who could slip punches from any distance, from any angle, and who were never knocked out

Remember that Pep fought Saddler after being severly injured in a plane accident, where many felt he wasn't the same fighter

The answer to the question is Pep

[Max Power]

We all know it's Mayweather.

[SugarBoxing]

We all know it's Mayweather.

MAX POWERISM IN ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I will expand for those who are not familiar with FAMOUS Max Powerism 101:

1. Bigger is better
2. Newer is bigger
3. Newer is better

Mayweather is 1) newer 2) bigger => 3) he is better!!!!!111111111111111

Objectively though, lightweight Mayweather should have won over Pep

[Max Power]

We all know it's Mayweather.

MAX POWERISM IN ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I will expand for those who are not familiar with FAMOUS Max Powerism 101:

1. Bigger is better
2. Newer is bigger
3. Newer is better

Mayweather is 1) newer 2) bigger => 3) he is better!!!!!111111111111111

Objectively though, lightweight Mayweather should have won over Pep

LOL Yes but you must augment those with the term "IN GENERAL" after those points.

Smaller fighters DO beat bigger ones, just statistically much less.
Newer fighters from respective weight categories are bigger because of modern stripping and rehydrating, changing definitions of classes and increasing size of HW's
Newer is better in general the further removed but SOME past time fighters may hold their own across a significant span.

My analysis here was in fact based quickly and resolutely on nothing more than simply watching them fight.

Mayweather is hands down the most defensive fighter of all time (or was). Beyond dispute really. And if there's any fighter I can't stand more than Ali, it's Mayweather!

[brocktonblockbust]

SugarRay Leonard was a better defensive fighter than Mayweather. FACT.

[La Cucaracha]

SugarRay Leonard was a better defensive fighter than Mayweather. FACT.

Whitaker was brilliant at his best

[Beanflicker]

Remember that Pep fought Saddler after being severly injured in a plane accident, where many felt he wasn't the same fighter

Bro you either have the skills in your brain or you don't.

Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was hopeless vs Kov but he was still rolling and slipping punches like a champ because thats what he does.

What, did Willie Pep forget how to defend himself in the plane crash?

[La Cucaracha]

Remember that Pep fought Saddler after being severly injured in a plane accident, where many felt he wasn't the same fighter

Bro you either have the skills in your brain or you don't.

Bernard Hopkins is 50 and was hopeless vs Kov but he was still rolling and slipping punches like a champ because thats what he does.

What, did Willie Pep forget how to defend himself in the plane crash?

Did you miss the part about Pep being seriously injured? There were fears he wouldn't walk again and if I remember correctly many thought that was the end of his career

The point was his body had been damaged and he wasn't the same fighter