Sydney Seige

[ryanman]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

I think many are condemning it Al. Greenbeanz probably found those links showing examples within about 1 minute.
Also, to say that those not condemning it agree with it is too simplistic. Fear must be a huge factor in keeping quiet. Look what these scum do to people that don't follow them.
People in Iraq don't like ISIS. But they aren't exactly able to protest publicly as they risk losing their heads.
Also, don't forget, to point out the obvious, it is mostly Muslims that they are killing in Iraq and Syria. And it is Kurds (Muslims) that are fighting them.
So considering that it is Muslims that are doing most of the fighting against ISIS it's clear that most Muslims do not support them.


I know this incident is different as it seems to be a lone nut, but this thread seems to have moved to talk generally about the current situation with extremism, hence my post.

[Gandalf]

I know, Andre. It seems then that this guy was a crazy, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't some logic to his reasoning. It is shitty behavior to be holding innocent people hostage, but it is shitty behavior aplenty in an age of complete insanity. Two wrongs do not make a right, but one has to try and understand it. I can just see where extremism comes from and unfortunately we have the crazies at the helm on our part who inflict a lot more carnage daily and I can see more doubling down as a response. Three wrongs won't make it more right either. It's a tragedy, it really is.

[Andre]

I know, Andre. It seems then that this guy was a crazy, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't some logic to his reasoning. It is shitty behavior to be holding innocent people hostage, but it is shitty behavior aplenty in an age of complete insanity. Two wrongs do not make a right, but one has to try and understand it. I can just see where extremism comes from and unfortunately we have the crazies at the helm on our part who inflict a lot more carnage daily and I can see more doubling down as a response. Three wrongs won't make it more right either. It's a tragedy, it really is.

Yep now we got power crazy fuckers on both sides, now both using the other side as an excuse to remain in power get more funds and go all out for even more.

There are billions of us who just want peace and yet we cant seem to be able to put an end to the well armed insane who play war games etc with real people, who we finance through taxes etc.I get it but theres not much in answers, maybe it will all get played out at our ultimate expense.

We are so many if we just got together and decided to not buy fuel from one company at all for a week,we would cause a price war and all pump prices would tumble in it. Thats the power we have on mass but dont use it.

[Gandalf]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

[Dia bando]

Dia, this guy was a career criminal, sex offender and just a loser i general. He had nothing to live for and like most bums in life he wanted to hurt as many people as possible. Total prick. They should have shot each of his testicles, put pins in his eyes and pulled out his nails with pliers.

You are correct he was a criminal, as I said taken in to a Country and abused there kindness he was
a nut, he was given a place to live he was sending nasty letters to dead soldiers family's.
Suspected of killing his wife, fuck why did they not deport him again to much tolerance shown, I never
understand the system allowing him, to be out on the streets the cunt should have been locked up.

[smashup]

Not exactly very effective at minimizing hostage damage your lot are they mate, 4 injured, 2 dead.

What i mean is the fact that they are being investigated because it seems they just steamed in spraying bullets all over the place and it was infact them who gunned down some of the hostages, basically they fucked it up royally.

Why was it a "Tactical Operations" police unit and not your special forces who were trained by our SAS boys who went in? - that's a Military Special Forces job and there were enough hours surely to get them ready/send them in?

We had a similar thing in the 80's which you will probably remember well where our SAS went into the Iranian Embassy after the terrorists killed a hostage and threw him out the door.

They went in and killed 5 out of the 6 terrorists in minutes and the one remaining terrorist was jailed for about 30 years.

I'm also shocked this guy who was on bail for being involved in his wifes murder was able to get tooled up and pull this off?

Always had massive respect for what the Australians do to stop illegal immigrants/known criminals just walking into the country like they do here constantly and thought you guys had people like this well under observation.

[Beanz]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

[Gandalf]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

[El Kabong]

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

We could have EASILY killed more and probably should have

[Gandalf]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

[ryanman]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

You see no difference between bombs being dropped on enemy targets that accidentally hit civilians and people dressed in school uniform walking into a school and murdering 126 children? The actions of the people involved are the same?
You are lying to yourself if you think that the pilot firing a missile at a military target but killing civilians instead (as awful as that is) and the man that looks into an innocent child's eyes and shoots it are the same type of animal.
Do you think that a reasonable response to the actions of a government is to murder woman and children of that nationality? I know you say it isn't be you do keep equating them.

I'm not blinkered from and blinded to the crimes of the West. Not at all. Far from it. But I can see a clear difference when talking about these individual actions.

[ryanman]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

[Gandalf]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

You see no difference between bombs being dropped on enemy targets that accidentally hit civilians and people dressed in school uniform walking into a school and murdering 126 children? The actions of the people involved are the same?
You are lying to yourself if you think that the pilot firing a missile at a military target but killing civilians instead (as awful as that is) and the man that looks into an innocent child's eyes and shoots it are the same type of animal.
Do you think that a reasonable response to the actions of a government is to murder woman and children of that nationality? I know you say it isn't be you do keep equating them.

I'm not blinkered from and blinded to the crimes of the West. Not at all. Far from it. But I can see a clear difference when talking about these individual actions.

No, I will not make such distinctions. 1,000,000 dead is a lot of accidents. It is genocide. The BBC will never say such a thing and that is why it should be banned. It is an institutional propaganda network. It is despicable.

[Gandalf]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

Ryan, are you reading some kind of script?

2001 was a Saudi attack end of story. It had nothing to do with Afghanistan nor Iraq. Nothing.

That leads to different questions but governments failed to answer them. Saudi's attacked the buildings, they were detonated to the ground.

[El Kabong]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual