Sydney Seige

[Gandalf]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

[El Kabong]

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

We could have EASILY killed more and probably should have

[Gandalf]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

[ryanman]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

[Gandalf]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

Ryan, are you reading some kind of script?

2001 was a Saudi attack end of story. It had nothing to do with Afghanistan nor Iraq. Nothing.

That leads to different questions but governments failed to answer them. Saudi's attacked the buildings, they were detonated to the ground.

[ryanman]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

Ryan, are you reading some kind of script?

2001 was a Saudi attack end of story. It had nothing to do with Afghanistan nor Iraq. Nothing.

That leads to different questions but governments failed to answer them. Saudi's attacked the buildings, they were detonated to the ground.

I think you slightly misunderstood my point. Or perhaps me you.
I took it that you were saying that the anti-west agenda/actions of Jihadists arose from the Iraq war.
But it was there before that clearly. Of course the war in Iraq has not helped (putting it mildly) but it wasn't the genesis of this kind of thought amongst Jihadists/Islamists/Extremists (pick your term of choice).

[Andre]

The problem for you is that I didn't invade Iraq. That was the key crime in the 21st century. This all emanates from it.....so you Western scum need to wake up. And get off my TV. I can't stand you.

It all emanates from the 2003 invasion of Iraq?

So, the September 2001 terrorists had access to a time machine?

Sorry to be facetious but I think you are being too reductionist Miles.

Ryan, are you reading some kind of script?

2001 was a Saudi attack end of story. It had nothing to do with Afghanistan nor Iraq. Nothing.

That leads to different questions but governments failed to answer them. Saudi's attacked the buildings, they were detonated to the ground.

I think you slightly misunderstood my point. Or perhaps me you.
I took it that you were saying that the anti-west agenda/actions of Jihadists arose from the Iraq war.
But it was there before that clearly. Of course the war in Iraq has not helped (putting it mildly) but it wasn't the genesis of this kind of thought amongst Jihadists/Islamists/Extremists (pick your term of choice).

Truth is the call to Jihad has now got many fronts including our home towns. They have stated online, dont come over here to fight, capture and behead locals in the western countries where you are. Home soil mate, this disease is everywhere. We need to shut down the heads of the snakes shut them up for good.

[El Kabong]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual

[Gandalf]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual

Yeah, but you are losing. And you know it. Carry on feeling.

[El Kabong]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual

Yeah, but you are losing. And you know it. Carry on feeling.

What am I losing miles? Go grade some papers jackass

[Gandalf]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual

Yeah, but you are losing. And you know it. Carry on feeling.

What am I losing miles? Go grade some papers jackass

Morality, fat pipes.

[Gandalf]

Morality.

[El Kabong]

I can't stand you.

At least the feeling is mutual

Yeah, but you are losing. And you know it. Carry on feeling.

What am I losing miles? Go grade some papers jackass

Morality, fat pipes.

You think there is a moral equivalence between the West and the terrorist Muslims? That's cute

[ryanman]

Miles, I don't understand how, when ISIS kill more Muslims than they do westerners, you can frame them as a group driven by anti-west sentiment. For ISIS that is secondary. Their primary goal is not to attack the west in revenge for past crimes. I think you are lumping them in with other Jihadi movements too readily. (This is certainly not to say that other Jihadi groups are just in their actions - absolutely not, but that at least you might be right about their formation and primary aim).

[ryanman]

True, all sides are equally crazy. Now the Taliban stepping it up too and I am sure a good cue to drone Pakistan once again. Around and around in circles. Maybe I'm wrong, but these people in charge don't seem very bright, they just repeat and repeat the same mistakes hoping it will go better each time. The West just needs a few moustaches at the top and the circle is complete.

The Taliban have just killed 126 in a Pakistan school. At least 100 of which were children. They have claimed it was a revenge attack for a Pakistani army attack against the Taliban in Warziristan. No mention of the west. People capable of such things can never come up with excuses or justification for such cowardly barbarity. It's 2014 and there is a world of difference between purposeful and accidental killing, however hard that may be to reconcile with the oversimplified meme like explanations pedalled by those who do nothing but spread fear. That's both ends, Farrage and Alex Jones.

Alright. 1,000,000 killed by the West in Iraq. How was that? Want some more, you are getting away lucky. You really are.

You see no difference between bombs being dropped on enemy targets that accidentally hit civilians and people dressed in school uniform walking into a school and murdering 126 children? The actions of the people involved are the same?
You are lying to yourself if you think that the pilot firing a missile at a military target but killing civilians instead (as awful as that is) and the man that looks into an innocent child's eyes and shoots it are the same type of animal.
Do you think that a reasonable response to the actions of a government is to murder woman and children of that nationality? I know you say it isn't be you do keep equating them.

I'm not blinkered from and blinded to the crimes of the West. Not at all. Far from it. But I can see a clear difference when talking about these individual actions.