Jack Dempsey fought 61 times in 13 years

[Master]

Chisora could not carry Joe's jockstrap.

I find that statement particularly amusing, considering Chisora is strong as an ox and Joe Frazier, there is a good chance would actually not quite be strong enough to support Chisora's jock strap!



You want to see Joe Frazier try to carry something? Why don't you google Joe Frazier - SuperStars program lol

How do you know Chisora is strong as an ox? Because he weighs heavier? Again you make the mistake of equating strength with weight as well as newer being better. Joe was in better condition than Chisora has ever been in his fights.

[Max Power]

Chisora could not carry Joe's jockstrap.

I find that statement particularly amusing, considering Chisora is strong as an ox and Joe Frazier, there is a good chance would actually not quite be strong enough to support Chisora's jock strap!



You want to see Joe Frazier try to carry something? Why don't you google Joe Frazier - SuperStars program lol

How do you know Chisora is strong as an ox? Because he weighs heavier? Again you make the mistake of equating strength with weight as well as newer being better. Joe was in better condition than Chisora has ever been in his fights.

Joe was never in as good a condition as Chisora, don't be ridiculous! LOL, there was one time when Frazier was actually lean and 6-packed but that did not last long, normal Frazier was more chubbier than Chisora, just a smaller version.

But YOU make the mistake of equating being ripped with being in condition when that is demonstratably not so, same with being fat.

As for strength, I have NEVER equated heavy with strong, other than the fact the chances of being stronger when heavier are higher.

That's why I also say "x is heavier AND stronger than y", because they don't always go hand in hand. One thing that fat does NOT confer is strength!

However Chirsora lifts some hefty weights for his preparation, he is well muscled, built like a bull in fact and has more leverage. Frazier is diminutive, slender muscled and failed lifting weights that the average schoolboy today could TOY with.

They don't come much more UN-athletic than Joe Frazier. That's a fact!

Today, Joe and Clay would be viewed as they really were.. GROSSLY OUT OF SHAPE CRUISERWEIGHTS!

Take Frazier, make him a bit taller, sharpen his skills a bit, pump him full of steroids for about a year or so and THERE'S your Dereck Chisora! LOL

[Bill Paxtom]

Not Sure On How You're Looking At This

But, before Jack fought for the Heavyweight Championship, he stepped
into the Ring '60' times from August 1914 thru December 1918.

In 4 1/2 years as a Professional, Jack was fighting an average of '13' times
per year.

In those days, Barn-Storming bouts were taking place nearly every week.

The work was there, if you wanted it.

[Master]

Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

[Max Power]

Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

[Master]

Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

You are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you. I would love anyone to punch you.

Forget the 6 pack and the weight look at what Joe achieved Chisora's mother would not support this argument so why are you?

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Max POwer Idont really believe that you believe what you are affirming.

[Max Power]

Joe Frazier was better conditioned than Chisora and had achieved more than chi's will ever do.

Joe Frazier at one point in his career had a 6-pack, meaning very little body fat.

As boxing specific conditioning goes, even with extra muscle and a bit of chub, Chisora is more conditioned than Joe ever was for boxing because of modern training.

Because of the enormous weight difference, without even checking it's obvious Frazier would have a higher punch output anyway.

But I would like to be punched by one of Joe's anyday than by one of Derecks.

You are so wrong that I feel embarrassed for you. I would love anyone to punch you.

Forget the 6 pack and the weight look at what Joe achieved Chisora's mother would not support this argument so why are you?

@Master I merely claimed that Chisora overall was the better conditioned boxer. I will grant you at one point in Frazier's career he appeared in shape, whereas Chisora always maintained a bit of chib but was otherwise a muscular boxer.

Joe Frazier was a shocking athlete. Frazier was one of the most abysmal at athletics.

The good news is when it comes to achievements I agree with you! Joe was a HW champion, Chisora is now a gatekeeper. Of course Frazier is greater than Chisora.