What Era had the Most Talented HeavyWeights?

[SlimTrae]

Have you seen title fights that Wlad has been in? The challengers have been truly awful.

Er.. I have seen all of Wladimirs title fights and the opponents are not awful because I've seen their OTHER fights as well.

When you put it all together you come to realise that it is only because Wladimir is so unbelievably good and formidable that he makes them look easy to beat.

Wlad is good although anyone remotely dangerous he normally goes into a shell but the challengers are awful, truly pathetic.

As much as I respect Wlad, I am a bit compromised to name the fights worthy of looking back on.

On one hand he cleaned the entire division out weak or not.

But I'm not sure who the best name is on his resume.

I think Peter would've been touted as a Nigerian Nightmare without K2 to fight, but WK did the job.

Calvin Brock had decent power, but I questione his desire, when he lost to Fat Eddie Chamber, I mean Fast Eddie..

I'm hard pressed to say that Tarver @ HW would've defeated every name on his resume. The James Toney that beat Ruiz also would've beatan every name.

David Haye is a question mark. Solid power, I kinda credit WK for punking him, but then again Carl Thompson stopped him, Mormeck dropped him. And everybody whooped Enzo Macrinelli & Monte Barrett so what is Haye's defining fight? Audley Harrison & Chisora?

An old past it Mercer & bufalo-but Botha also to add to WK's resume, but not WK's fault.

I'd say Chris Byrd, Sam Peter & David Haye are WK's signature wins.

[Max Power]

Have you seen title fights that Wlad has been in? The challengers have been truly awful.

Er.. I have seen all of Wladimirs title fights and the opponents are not awful because I've seen their OTHER fights as well.

When you put it all together you come to realise that it is only because Wladimir is so unbelievably good and formidable that he makes them look easy to beat.

Wlad is good although anyone remotely dangerous he normally goes into a shell but the challengers are awful, truly pathetic.

As much as I respect Wlad, I am a bit compromised to name the fights worthy of looking back on.

On one hand he cleaned the entire division out weak or not.

But I'm not sure who the best name is on his resume.

I think Peter would've been touted as a Nigerian Nightmare without K2 to fight, but WK did the job.

Calvin Brock had decent power, but I questione his desire, when he lost to Fat Eddie Chamber, I mean Fast Eddie..

I'm hard pressed to say that Tarver @ HW would've defeated every name on his resume. The James Toney that beat Ruiz also would've beatan every name.

David Haye is a question mark. Solid power, I kinda credit WK for punking him, but then again Carl Thompson stopped him, Mormeck dropped him. And everybody whooped Enzo Macrinelli & Monte Barrett so what is Haye's defining fight? Audley Harrison & Chisora?

An old past it Mercer & bufalo-but Botha also to add to WK's resume, but not WK's fault.

I'd say Chris Byrd, Sam Peter & David Haye are WK's signature wins.

LOL Although I have acknowledged your support of another GREAT era, I find your postings at times MORE deleterious than the OTNB at times. This is an example. Bummifying the Klitschko era to pump up the 90's, a modern argument with far greater OPINION based analysis involved than merely nostalgist smashing requires.

Wlad's toplist can be assembled from 1 to 2 in many ways depending on feeling. But atleast these following opponents..

Samuel Peter, Tony Thompson, Kubrat Pulev, Alexander Povetkin, David Haye, Sultan Ibragimov, Ruslan Chagaev, Chris Byrd, Eddie Chambers deserve special attention. These were superb boxers who would have fared just as well in the 90's.

There are other opponents like iron chinned tall+hefty Wach, unbeaten strong man Pianeta, Brock, basically all of the big strong and unbeaten or nearly unbeaten fighters that Wladimir has dispatched are obviously not going to be cannon fodder for 90's HW's, just bloody look at them, even a picture analysis is enough to see that they would be formidable for any 90's HW to defeat. Only LEnnox Lewis at his best beats all comers from the Klitschko era and he was certainly not always, as any boxer is, at his best either so it's just as plausible if Rahman and McCall can KO him, Mavrovic can survive him, even Frank bloody Bruno can have him in trouble, then I am 100% positive that these guys can maintain a competitive fight with him too.

Think of this...

Haye destroys Grant
Thompson beats up Tyson that Lennox and Holyfield fought
Chagaev outboxes Golota
Chambers outboxes Tua every day a week
Ibragimov has already beaten Briggs and Holyfield (not in their athletic primes but in their most experienced and roided.

I could go on!

Losing to Chambers is no shame for Brock. Chambers is a defensive master and one of the fastest heavies of all time. It is no consequence if he is fat or ripped. This is boxing, performance is all that matters.

James Toney was simply a factor at HW but was never a HW elite.

Tarver is not a factor at all and that is a stinking insult to the modern HW division.

David Haye aside from the HW champ, only ever lost at a much earlier in career and inexperienced time (hardly any rounds fought at pro) at Cruiserweight vs a VETERAN good boxer in Thompson, which as I always say is more important than anything else in match ups. And getting caught and knocked down by Mormeck is no shame either, who is a comparable opponent to Moorer! You cannot criticise Haye on fighting great opponents at HW, knocking most of them out, then fighting a selection of giant boxers and knocking most them out as well by drawing conclusions off of 1 KO loss to decent opponent and a KD vs one as well, get real!

I can weigh in with pros and cons of the 90's, 00's and 10's boxers equally, pick one and we'll try it together if you like!

[palmerq]

I'd say Chris Byrd, Sam Peter & David Haye are WK's signature wins.

I would say povetkin should be in the top two, he had a great amateur career at super heavyweight, olympic and world amateur gold medalist.. He also beat byrd(it was last byrds last fight at heavyweight but he stopped him well) and has accumulated some nice wins over some good contenders.. Although the way wladimir won takes away from it a bit I think..

I would say wladimirs 3 best wins would be haye or povetkin at number 1 or 2, like you said it's hard to know how good david haye really is due to his lack of activity and then sam peter just because wladimir was going through a tough time at that stage of his career and peter was on a roll , although peter is sort of made for wladimir to defeat..

Chagaev is also a good boxer he defeated valuev and ruiz like haye did(although haye destroyed ruiz) but chagaev had already suffered a really bad ligament or tendon injury, I forget what it was but he was out for a long time) and his illness before he fought wladimir.