Re: Prime Holyfield vs prime Joe Frazier

Originally Posted by
Mr140
Holyfeild was fucking 48 not everyone is Hopkins you should not be that competitive near that age against a fucking champ. Haye in his prime best outing at hw that was beat by a fucking man at the end of 26 year career who started at fucking lhw. Max you are a idiot say all shit i am not even saying this eras that bad but you want that extreme saying its tha best bullshit. The Older brother got his face turned into a vag by a 38 year old Lewis who was out shape last time he was in that shap fucking rahman knocked him the fuck out. Wald lost to total bum in Purty and then got lit up by Sanduars who was top 10 nothing in the 90's and did really nothing but golf after he beat Wald. Bewster fucking lost his title to a man who got knocked out by fucking Briggs telling this is the best we have had come the fuck on.
Holyfield at 48 had lost former speed and athleticism and workrate. But he maintained those other qualities. Fortunately, he had still more of these qualities to be able to match the giant Valuev. I thought it could have been a draw. Judges thought he lost!
Haye clearly beat Valuev. The problem with rating any boxer vs Valuev is that it is always a game of hit and run because of the size disparity. And any boxer is going to be fast enough to hit him. It is simply a test of tactics over 12 rounds. Of Haye, Chagaev and Holyfield, only Haye had a moment there where he nearly put the giant down.
Haye rocked up to the HW division the smallest competitor and started whacking giant boxers around and out like it was his own weight class. Basically never seen before!
Vitali punched the living shit out of Lennox at ONLY 38 which is not old, the heaviest and most experienced version of Lewis. Lennox was incredibly lucky to slash some freak cuts of VK and get stoppage. Obviously he could not beat Vitali under concventional means in a rematch and retired.
So you make excuses for LEnnox vs Rahman when no excuses exist. He was outboxed and knocked out, but you will rubbish Klitschko's for losses when there are circumstantial factors in all if them. Extreme bias.
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
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