earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

[brocktonblockbust]

Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

[Master]

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

[brocktonblockbust]

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

you would think so Master, but we got these here young whippersnapper know-it-alls saying Lamon Brewster and Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora hit harder. haha look how stupid each successive generation is getting. No reason to even dignify responses to their diarrhea drivel.

[Max Power]

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

you would think so Master, but we got these here young whippersnapper know-it-alls saying Lamon Brewster and Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora hit harder. haha look how stupid each successive generation is getting. No reason to even dignify responses to their diarrhea drivel.

Look here at Lamon Brewster...

http://www.boxsport-news.de/wp-conte...m-Springer.jpg

And here at Earnie Shavers...

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/induction...havers_web.jpg

Do you see the difference, yes or no?

Earnie Shavers never stopped a 200+ opponent with a good record except Kenny Norton, a prolific bum beater that makes Wilders resume look stellar. Brewster has a Tyson like KO ratio against 200+ opponents exclusively who were of considerably better quality than Shavers.

Shavers can barely box, Brewster is a good boxer. Shavers 210lbs, Brewster 230lbs. Brewster only few losses to good opponents, Shavers enormous amount of losses to even bummy and cruiser opponents.

Lamon Brewster world champ. Earnie Shaver, never a champ!

Again, do you see the difference, yes or no?

On the contrary, it's only in the minds of OTNB that a guy like Shavers even competes in a similar league let alone hits harder than a guy like Brewster!

In direct contradiction to your theory on the intelligence of us young posters there is a more accurate description of reality. For the 150 years of recorded boxing, every generation has been ridiculed by the previous generation as having been worse than the one before it, only for it later to been lauded in fact much better.

Now, for the first time in history, there is a sizable portion of boxing fans who have become intelligent enough to realise theirs IS the best generation BEFORE the era is in the past! Indeed these are very exciting times

[Arvid_85]

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

[Max Power]

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

I will tell you why...

Because Shavers is very special for Nostslgists to promote.

Because he beat Muhammad Ali, and he beat Ken Norton and Foreman and Frazier didn't fight him. And he had competitive fights with young Holmes.

If Earnie Shavers is NOT upheld as something special, of Earnie Shavers is properly regarded as the total bum that he is/was... Then this is what happens...

Muhammad Ali lost to ANOTHER bum.
Ken Norton lost to a bum.
Holmes struggled to beat a bum
Frazier ducked a bum
Foreman ducked a bum

And the whole Golden era it is clear is the most unusually weak era in history even given it's relatively late appearance in the history of boxing.

This is unacceptable for OTNB, so the mythology of Shavers, the religious construction that has become the identity of Earnie Shavers, is put forward as the answer as to the expaination of how such a terrible boxer could pose so much difficulties for the other boxers.

Although it is clear to any objective reader that Earnie Shavers would never step into a professional boxing ring today either as a Cruiser or as a heavy, some of these guys here in fact DO really believe that Shavers would be a decent opponent today at world ranked level.

There are the indoctrinators, and the indoctrinated.

[Ron Swanson]

So this is what the 300th thread about this gatekeeper with a punch? See you tomorrow with this same topic again. Proving Max Power wrong is no impressive accomplishment. Just let him talk and he'll do it on his own. Better yet let's devote the entire board to Shavers, at least it won't be more Floyd talk or Manny.

[brocktonblockbust]

So this is what the 300th thread about this gatekeeper with a punch? See you tomorrow with this same topic again. Proving Max Power wrong is no impressive accomplishment. Just let him talk and he'll do it on his own. Better yet let's devote the entire board to Shavers, at least it won't be more Floyd talk or Manny.

TV Dinners are good.

[brocktonblockbust]

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You a turkey dinna

[Max Power]

Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

What is this, the "EXPOSURE OF EARNIE SHAVERS WEEK".

We all know that Earnie Shavers is far below normal intelligence. And we all know that is a typical thing from boxers from what I call the "punch-bag eras" of boxing.

Pre-defence eras. Pre-80's era's.

So let's take a look at these guys statements...

Lyle was knocked out by Foreman, yet Lyle wasted Shavers. Foreman was obviously the hardest puncher LYle fought.
Ali was stopped by Holmes and knocked down very many times, pretty much knocked out by Cooper. Shavers never managed to knock Ali down.
Mike Tyson dealt Holmes his only canvas KO of career, Holmes beat Shavers 2ce. Tyson was obviously the hardest hitter Holmes ever faced.

All 3 are full of shit and exposed as the biggest crap artists in the sport as far as fighters go, exceeded in stupidity only by Shavers himself!

[Max Power]

The real question is WHY these guys lie.

2 reasons have been put forward.

(a) The body as a defence mechanism, shuts down it's pain mechanism from the hardest of punches or maybe because the power of the blow is so severe that it simply concusses the victim so badly that they are unable to remember it properly. This point seems almost too stupid to mention but apparently has gone unthought of from OTNB sources.

(b) Shavers stands at a pinnacle position in the house of cards that is the golden era of boxing. Bummifying Shavers, bummifys the whole era. By pumping up Shavers as a decent opponent, all of the golden era boxers who beat him pump up their own wins and glorify themselves for having beaten somebody as dangerous as Shavers and completely ignore the fact that despite nearly 100 fights, Shavers never won against a decent opponent with the single exception being Ken Norton.

Funny enough, the Klitschko opponent Samuel Peter can be described as a "Super-Shavers", stylistically similar except much stronger in every way, heavier, more muscular, physically stronger, tougher chin and durability, much more powerful punch. Yet Peter is ironically slammed often, even though he was a world champ and Shavers is promoted, despite the fact he was not 1/5th the fighter Peter was and was never a world champ.

Only in OTNB land

[IamInuit]

I'd take this guy I think,

He had a 17” neck, 15” biceps, a 42 ½” inch chest and a 73” reach

He had huge shoulders and massive back muscles. He was known for his quick hands, debilitating left jab, crushing hook, powerful right cross, smashing uppercut and devastating body punches. He was equally adept at punching from long range or short punches at close range. When he had his opponent hurt he was a deadly finisher.

He was master at the art of feinting.

He was also an outstanding defensive fighter. A master at blocking an opponents leads with an open glove with the rear hand in proper position, a master glove blocker and counter puncher as well as a fighter who would duck and counter putting his whole body into his blows. He had the perfect balance, timing and leverage of a great puncher.

Mike Silver stated ;

Quite possibly the greatest fighter who ever lived, Langford mastered every punch. His short hook on the inside and his right cross and uppercut were particularly deadly. His punishing jab was also one of the best. He was a strategist who knew how to maneuver, with the ability to explode out of an offensive or defensive position. He could instantly stop when retreating, revert to the offensive, and in the blink of an eye render an opponent unconscious with trip-hammer blows thrown in four and five punch combinations. Langford's every move embodied the technique of a studied master boxer. During his prime he was rarely outfought, out-thought, or out-punched.

William Detloff wrote,

he wasn't simply an all out slugger. He was smart and crafty and knew how to out-think guys in the ring. He could fight inside or outside and was impossibly strong. He was decades ahead of his time.

Ring founder Nat Fleischer reported:

He was as quick and slippery as an eel in action, highly intelligent and made up of surprising dodges from head to heels. Sam used his bulky shoulders and clever blocking arms to avoid blows and his potent punching power stayed with him until the end of his career.

Norman Clark who saw him fight on his tour of England wrote,All in the Game 1935 said;

For working up speed he had Jimmy Walsh, the bantamweight champion of the world, with him. The pair used to box together lightly, but at a great pace, and I was surprised to find that even in this sort of work Sam was every bit as fast and clever as Walsh himself.

R. Stockton stated,

He had all the attributes of a great fighter, speed, punching power, an amazingly elusive defense, the ability to absorb punishment, and unlimited endurance.

Al Laney wrote,

This is the man competent critics said was the greatest fighter in ring history, the man the champions feared and would not fight, the man who was so good he was never given a chance to show how good he really was.

Harry Wills described in the February 1953 Boxing and Wrestling Magazine what his knockout losses to him were like. Wills said he was hit so hard each time that he doesn’t remember being knocked out!

I was knocked out three times in my career, twice by him and in my last fight by Paulino Uzcudun. I still don't know, except from hearsay, what punches he used to knock me out. The first time it happened was 1914. We were supposed to go twenty rounds, when the fourteenth began I was going easy. He was in a bad way. I backed him around the ring trying to set him up for a one punch finish. His eye was bleeding and the last thing I remember was having him against the ropes just about five feet from his corner. It must have happened right then.

Jack Dempsey just like Johnson wanted nothing to do with him and in his autobiography
he admitted it saying,

The Hell I feared no man. There was one man, he was even smaller than I, and I wouldn’t fight because I knew he would flatten me. I was afraid of him

Johnson did fight him once but he was a 20 year old and a lightweight at the time and the 28 year old Johnson outweighed him by 50 pounds and Johnson even in his win mew he was lucky that he got to the kid when he did. He would say later,

I don’t want to fight that little smoke,” said Johnson. “He’s got a chance to win against anyone in the world. I’m the first black champion and I’m going to be the last.

Jim Flynn, said of his punching power:

I fought most of the heavyweights, including [Jack] Dempsey and [Jack] Johnson, but he could strength a guy colder than any of them. When he hit me it felt like someone slugged me with a baseball bat

In the end the official record has him at over 300 fights but the real tally is most likely much more then that. He knocked out virtually every top heavyweight he faced with most of them being men who were also ducked by the likes of Johnson and Dempsey. With 140 ko's on his official record, he blasts out the records of guys like Tyson and Foreman combined or any other heavyweight duo.


A few months before his death, he said,

“Don’t nobody need to feel sorry for old Sam. I had plenty of good times. I been all over the world. I fought maybe 600 fights, and every one was a pleasure!”

Given his size in comparison to all others, in my mind he's the biggest puncher in heavyweight history.
He had to have been given the disparities. He fought for 24 years until he was pulled out of the ring when totally blind and never got a title shot other then Gans and Walcott at lower weights. By all accounts he beat Barbadoes Joe and beat Gans for his first loss in ten tears but was 2 pounds over on fight night so never got the title.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

[Max Power]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.