How to correctly honour the history of boxing. MaxPower 101

[Master]

If you got a punching bag and measured the punches of fighters you would be right a lot of fighters today may puch harder because they weigh more.

Actually landing that punch is a fight against quality opponents is much harder to do.

Punch power makes up a lot of things more than just weight it includes speed, accuracy, timing, technique and experience.

To knock someone down and out at the highest level takes years and does not come over night.

Guys like Louis and Shavers fought the best in their era and demonstrated their power against the best chins of all time.

Do not demean what they have achieved ever.

[Max Power]

If you got a punching bag and measured the punches of fighters you would be right a lot of fighters today may puch harder because they weigh more.

Actually landing that punch is a fight against quality opponents is much harder to do.

Punch power makes up a lot of things more than just weight it includes speed, accuracy, timing, technique and experience.

To knock someone down and out at the highest level takes years and does not come over night.

Guys like Louis and Shavers fought the best in their era and demonstrated their power against the best chins of all time.

Do not demean what they have achieved ever.

I agree with you on the intricacies of punch power. Which is why I think KOratio vs quality+heavy opponents is a better indicator than lbs per square inch of force. and why I think an even better measure is "rounds per KO vs quality+relevant opponents" an even better measure because it encompasses delivery skills.

However I obviously completely disagree on your final points.

These guys proved their power/delivery on guys with FAR weaker chins than the guys today do, obvious by the general size of the opponents.

When analysing 2 boxers of different sizes, the chances are much greater that the larger boxer has the better chin. OF course, in practice it often still occurs that the smaller boxer can obviously have the harder chin. But when we analyse a representative sample of boxers, a population of fighters, a whole resume or a whole era, the sample with the heavier boxers ALWAYS has the harder chins in general. This is just plain obvious fact!

When we analyse Shavers opponents, they are without much exception, mostly cruiserweights (much easier to KO than genuine HW's) and bums (much easier to land his power on than quality opponents) or both (much easier to land on AND knock out).

So yeah, I think one can ONLY objectively state it this way and it isn't degrading at all.

Objectively speaking Deontay Wilder has a resume approximately 500x better than Earnie Shavers. Yet we don't comment on the hardness of his opponents chins he cracked or the quality of their skills he managed to overcome do we? I wonder why that is and I wonder why we should have to do that for Shavers but not for Deontay? Hmmm

It is what it is!

[Master]

Wilder is as yet untested.

Shavers knocked down Holmes. Holmes said he was the hardest puncher he faced.

Ali said he was the hardest puncher he faced.

Until Wilder gets anywhere near Wlad and does the same then it will be mentioned until then it will not.

[Max Power]

Shavers wasted a string of bums and cruisers = his power was tested.

Wilder wasted a string of HW bums = untested?

AND

Wilder hasn't fought Wlad yet = untested

Shavers landed a good punch on Ali, failed to knock him down, knocked Holmes down whom got up and beat him anyway = tested. ?

I would say that Wilder was a puncher vs HEAVIER bums than Shavers whom he never failed to KO whereas Earnie sometimes did and sometimes even LOST to and Wilder finished his all much faster too!

And on quality opponents, Wilder has so far succeeded in KOing the few he has fought whereas Shavers ALWAYS failed against them except for the single exception of Ken Norton!

I wonder what Malik Scott has to say regarding the power of Wilder's punch. Scott, who has a better record than almost any opponent Shavers ever fought!

[Master]

Scott lay down for his friend. Not the best example.

[Max Power]

Scott lay down for his friend. Not the best example.

Yeah alright I actually agree there. Scott was a credible opponent I'd expect to provide solid resistance and the KO seemed REALLY fishy to me, almost like it was a payroll job.

Bad example.

[Beanflicker]

Guys like Louis and Shavers fought the best in their era and demonstrated their power against the best chins of all time.

Do not demean what they have achieved ever.

Why are you using Louis and Shavers in the same sentence? WHY? Hahahaha