Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
Bert Cooper/Chisora is not super Frazier.

Peters is not Shavers.

These fighters are far from super or superior.

I think Toney should have won the first fight and the fact that Peters struggled with a blown up great middleweight says quite a lot.
I think it was how it was analysed at the time. Toney out-worked Peter. Peter landed the more effective punches on Toney. I think it was close. I called it for Peter.

Peter struggling with Toney tells me this much.

Toney is skillwise better than PEter. As were basically all of Shavers decent opponents. Toney and Peter are range-wise fairly comparable, hence Toney being capable of out-boxing Peter who as a natural HW and slugger style should not be expected to win by out-skilling Toney.

Punching power and strength won the fight for Peter.

James Toney who fought Peter in the first fight weighed 233lbs. Bigger than ANY decent competitor in the 70's by far! Obviously this was not a "middleweight" anymore. Food and Steroids fixed that!

Yes, the extra muscles AND the extra lard on Toney is what enabled him to survive Peter, were he to have come in at even, say, 200lbs, the CW limit, he would have imo been knocked out without the added resistance.