Samuel Peter replacing Earnie Shavers in the 70's...

[Max Power]

If a shot, blown up MW was able to outbox Peter, it's not too much of a stretch to suggest that Ali would be able to as well.

That could be true.

Except when Ali DID in fact fight the 70's analogue of Peter in Shavers, a much weaker version, very poor mans version of Peter, Ali did NOT school him. He got fuckin pasted!

Therefore I would argue that it's not TOO much of a stretch to assume that Peter knocks Ali the fuck out!

[Max Power]

People think Shavers was robbed against Ali? What?

It is generally accepted, even among nutbag circles, that Shavers beat Ali.

[Beanflicker]

If we could go back in a time machine, bring all those guys in their prime and put them on Sport Science to measure their punching power in PSI, Peter would blow them all out of the water.

Sam Peter would have KTFO all of the bums Earnie rolled, he would have KTFO the washed up Ken Norton that Shavers did, and I'd say he would have whipped a lot of the guys Earnie lost to (Quarry, Cobb, Mercado, ect.)

It's just a different time, different caliber/size athlete. Peter had about 40lbs on those guys, and Sam Peter was a better fighter than Shavers was.

[Beanflicker]

People think Shavers was robbed against Ali? What?

It is generally accepted, even among nutbag circles, that Shavers beat Ali.

I remember the fight and I thought Ali deserved the nod. Shavers had some good moments but he just couldn't sustain them because he was a shit fighter.

[Beanflicker]

Peters is not Shavers.

You're not seriously suggesting that Shavers was a better fighter than Sam Peter??

I think Shavers has to be the most overrated guy in boxing history. I don't think the people heaping so much praise on him have actually seen his fights, aside from maybe a KO montage on Youtube.

[Max Power]

Peters is not Shavers.

You're not seriously suggesting that Shavers was a better fighter than Sam Peter??

I think Shavers has to be the most overrated guy in boxing history. I don't think the people heaping so much praise on him have actually seen his fights, aside from maybe a KO montage on Youtube.

Unfortunately that's all most ppl have seen, and the oldies here that know better rely on the fact that most youngsters haven't or wont watch his complete fights to know any better.

They are for the most part pretty safe because his fights are basically "unwatchable" for any reason but study purposes.

But YouTube caught up with them and the evidence is now at the fingertips

For the record, the Shaver/Ali fight was a close call, and for an objective fan like youself Beanz it's fine to call it for Ali, my main point being that for Ali to have such a close competitive fight with a guy like Shavers makes a Peter/Ali confrontation a highly relevant question.

The usual OTNB mantra of "Peter wouldn't win a round" or "Ali wipes the floor" against Peter simply doesn't hold up to proper analysis with Ali's ACTUAL performance.

[Max Power]

I've heard it all now. And Wlad replaces Primo Carnera only Primo grappled less.

I would call LEnnox, Wladimir and Vitali

"Super-Holmes"

And Tyson Fury a "Super-Ali" haha

[EL DINAMITA]

Head to head, Peter would have beaten shaver's ass...

Also, this notion of shavers being the hardest hw puncher of all time is false..

[Max Power]

Head to head, Peter would have beaten shaver's ass...

Also, this notion of shavers being the hardest hw puncher of all time is false..

Welcome back!!

[brocktonblockbust]

Yeah and Dereck Chisora is good. Bwahaha

[Max Power]

Yeah and Dereck Chisora is good. Bwahaha

He is what he is.

I would say he is a decent opponent. A gatekeeper.

Nobody walks over Chisora, that's really all I have to say about him. He looks good on a resume.

[palmerq]

And Tyson Fury a "Super-Ali" haha

max powers been on the eggnog! this is going to be good !

[Max Power]

And Tyson Fury a "Super-Ali" haha

max powers been on the eggnog! this is going to be good !

It's Christmas LOL

[Master]

And Tyson Fury a "Super-Ali" haha

max powers been on the eggnog! this is going to be good !

It's Christmas LOL

Yes not April Fools.