1 Earnie shavers gif on google images, THIS IS A FKING DISGRACE!!

[Max Power]

Pulev and Haye would be front runners for HW champ in a post-Klitschko era says all you need to know about how crap and embarrassing this era is.

If you do not see it. More fool you.

Yes because a basically, slightly lighter, shorter, less athletic version of Wladimir but still formidable enough to hold it with any other HW and possibly the fastest most athletic and one of the slickest HW's of all time who also has a cracker punch are 2 guys that are living proof of the pathetic state of the division if they claim belts afterward right.

Yet featherfisted, punch bags like Frazier and Ali, and 220lb slow plodders with clubbing punches like Foreman are idealised versions of what a HW champ should be?

Unbelievable!

[Master]

You are unbelievable if you think Haye could beat Ali.

Pulev lighter, shorter, less athletic version of Wlad?

Haye the fastest most athletic and one of the slickest HW's of all time?

You are having a laugh now.

[Max Power]

You are unbelievable if you think Haye could beat Ali.

Pulev lighter, shorter, less athletic version of Wlad?

Haye the fastest most athletic and one of the slickest HW's of all time?

You are having a laugh now.

There is no way possible Ali could every beat Haye, obviously!

They are good ways to describe both boxers.

[brocktonblockbust]

You are unbelievable if you think Haye could beat Ali.

Pulev lighter, shorter, less athletic version of Wlad?

Haye the fastest most athletic and one of the slickest HW's of all time?

You are having a laugh now.

There is no way possible Ali could every beat Haye, obviously!

They are good ways to describe both boxers.

I think a 1977 and onwards Ali loses to Haye but not by knockout.

[Max Power]

You are unbelievable if you think Haye could beat Ali.

Pulev lighter, shorter, less athletic version of Wlad?

Haye the fastest most athletic and one of the slickest HW's of all time?

You are having a laugh now.

There is no way possible Ali could every beat Haye, obviously!

They are good ways to describe both boxers.

I think a 1977 and onwards Ali loses to Haye but not by knockout.

Any version of Haye, even the CW version would knock out the 60's version of Clay/Ali beyond any doubt.

Despite being fleet footed, this Clay was hit by the slowest of punches still as soon as he was in range and often had poor moments in nearly all of his fights against diminutive guys way smaller than even Cruiser Haye with none of the speed athleticity, slickness or power of Haye, nothing like Haye ever existed then. 60's Ali basically got knocked out by Henry Cooper for Christ sake and never convincingly even beat Liston.

The 70's Ali was a slow plodding overweight but with better chin and good experience. He would nevertheless never be able to land barely any meaningful punches on Haye and could not avoid the clean power shots of Haye which nobody had the capacity to land on him back then. In my opinion he would definitely be knocked out. This Ali was smashed from pillar to post in nearly all of his fights.

It is an insult to claim that Haye is in any way GREATER than Ali. Likewise it is an insult, a STINKING INSULT to insinuate that Clay/Ali, stands any chances vs David Haye, whatsoever!

Again. It's unbelievable!

Just LOOK at their fights for christ sake!

Haye absolutes wasted nearly all of his opponents in some of the most spectacular fashion ever displayed in boxing, then took out a small selection of giant boxers outweighing and outtalling him and knocked all of them out except a 7' tall 320lb real life giant who he still outboxed and Wladimir Klitschko, possibly the best HW boxer of all time to date!

MEanwhile Ali cheats to survive vs Cooper. Loses to a shroter, lighter, out of shape blind dwarf who cant even box and even later to a cruiser green bum.

Unbelievable!

[Master]

You are frighteningly unbelievable.

Someone has a serious hard on for David Haye and yet ignores the brilliance of Ali.

I do not know what to make of you.

[Max Power]

You are frighteningly unbelievable.

Someone has a serious hard on for David Haye and yet ignores the brilliance of Ali.

I do not know what to make of you.

I have slammed David Haye for all the things he should be slammed for. There are some things about Ali that can be admired far more than Haye even.

Boxing ability is not one of them at all.

Almost all of Haye's career is brilliant.

To what bit can you point to of Muhammad Ali's career on film and tell me that what he did was brilliant? Go on try me. Tell me the fight, tell me the part!

[Master]

Ali career is the best ever.

He fought and beat 3 great heavyweight champions.

olympic gold medal

He transecended the sport.

He lost 3 years of his peak in boxing.

Noone else has shown more heart and courage than him at the highest level

Fight of the century, thrilla in manilla and rumble in the jungle are true events in boxing.

[EL DINAMITA]

Shavers would barely qualify as a journeyman in the modern HW scene..

Truth is, he is a Fukin bum..

[Max Power]

Ali career is the best ever.

He fought and beat 3 great heavyweight champions.

olympic gold medal

He transecended the sport.

He lost 3 years of his peak in boxing.

Noone else has shown more heart and courage than him at the highest level

Fight of the century, thrilla in manilla and rumble in the jungle are true events in boxing.

@Master

Frazier I - Ali's most clinchiest fight and the most clinchiest of all time until Wlad vs Povetkin. Ali was almost completely defenceless and got smashed from pillar to post by a diminutive 1-dimensional fighter who couldn't even throw a straight punch who would have knocked Ali out were he not such a featherfist. You credit Ali for a fight which he LOST. Plus it was a BORING fight.

Frazier II & III - Ali clinched over 150 times in 12 rounds, yet never had a point taken away. In Manila Futch pulled the plug on Frazier just as Ali was getting ready to quit.

I give Frazier 2 of the 3 fights as do many others.

Rumble in the Jungle was a magnetizing fight, agreed. In terms of pure action it was of lower pace and action than Wladimir vs Mormeck! The fact he got the win over George was great in any case, but his method of laying on the ropes until Geroge punched himself out was nothing less than deplorable. Never again would this tatic work and as much credit has to be given to the stupidity of George for losing it as has to be given to Ali for winning. But there's more...

Foreman was effectively held prisoner in a stockade (Ali was put up in the presidential suite) and couldn't spar for a month beforehand because of a cut eye. What with that, the setting in a thuggish third world police state, the loose ropes and the quick count, a very strange fight with odd circumstances that benefitted Ali. He was also reluctant to rematch, in spite of Foreman campaigning for one.

^THIS is what you chose to highlight of Muhammad's career to sell him? These days it would be called pathetic, I'm sorry!

Wladimir for instance fought and beat more than 3 great HW champions too (where great is taken to mean a great boxer, not subjectively)

Wlad won an Olympic gold medal at SHW, Ali at LHW

How did Ali "transcend the sport", he was a boxer in the ring and that's all that counts.

How did he show more heart and courage than any other boxer? Like Lamon Brewster? Or Chris Byrd for examples? or Evander Holyfield?

Vitali Klitschko was off for 4 years with injury and in his first fight back took out the HW title vs feared puncher Peter.

Your points are not very relevant at all!

[Master]

You hate for Ali is almost as embarrassing as your love for the modern heavyweight.

Name 1 fight Wlad is in that will be remembered?

[brocktonblockbust]

You are frighteningly unbelievable.

Someone has a serious hard on for David Haye and yet ignores the brilliance of Ali.

I do not know what to make of you.

I have slammed David Haye up the ass. There are some things about Ali that can be admired far more than Haye even.

Boxing ability is not one of them at all.

Almost all of Haye's career is brilliant.

To what bit can you point to of Muhammad Ali's career on film and tell me that what he did was brilliant? Go on try me. Tell me the fight, tell me the part!

well now THAT explains it @Master

[brocktonblockbust]

Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."

[Mr140]

Ok not going to read through this but wtf is with Shavers shit he hit hard but never won shit. Also gifs are kinda newer thing and Shavers kinda of a fucking nobody now i mean he was a contender in his day. Shavers is hard hitting gatekeeper why is his name on so much shit dear god.

[Max Power]

Ok not going to read through this but wtf is with Shavers shit he hit hard but never won shit. Also gifs are kinda newer thing and Shavers kinda of a fucking nobody now i mean he was a contender in his day. Shavers is hard hitting gatekeeper why is his name on so much shit dear god.

Because there are 2 guys here in particular, namely @brocktonblockbust and @Bill Paxtom that are trying to blow more smoke up his ass that the average shuttle launch produces.

As if he was something to be held in awe.

Pathetic!