earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

[Max Power]

The real question is WHY these guys lie.

2 reasons have been put forward.

(a) The body as a defence mechanism, shuts down it's pain mechanism from the hardest of punches or maybe because the power of the blow is so severe that it simply concusses the victim so badly that they are unable to remember it properly. This point seems almost too stupid to mention but apparently has gone unthought of from OTNB sources.

(b) Shavers stands at a pinnacle position in the house of cards that is the golden era of boxing. Bummifying Shavers, bummifys the whole era. By pumping up Shavers as a decent opponent, all of the golden era boxers who beat him pump up their own wins and glorify themselves for having beaten somebody as dangerous as Shavers and completely ignore the fact that despite nearly 100 fights, Shavers never won against a decent opponent with the single exception being Ken Norton.

Funny enough, the Klitschko opponent Samuel Peter can be described as a "Super-Shavers", stylistically similar except much stronger in every way, heavier, more muscular, physically stronger, tougher chin and durability, much more powerful punch. Yet Peter is ironically slammed often, even though he was a world champ and Shavers is promoted, despite the fact he was not 1/5th the fighter Peter was and was never a world champ.

Only in OTNB land

[Max Power]

If two of the best heavyweights ever in boxing say that Shavers hit harder than Foreman and Tyson then you have to say he was the hardest hitting heavyweight of all time.

you would think so Master, but we got these here young whippersnapper know-it-alls saying Lamon Brewster and Wladimir Klitschko and Dereck Chisora hit harder. haha look how stupid each successive generation is getting. No reason to even dignify responses to their diarrhea drivel.

Look here at Lamon Brewster...

http://www.boxsport-news.de/wp-conte...m-Springer.jpg

And here at Earnie Shavers...

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/induction...havers_web.jpg

Do you see the difference, yes or no?

Earnie Shavers never stopped a 200+ opponent with a good record except Kenny Norton, a prolific bum beater that makes Wilders resume look stellar. Brewster has a Tyson like KO ratio against 200+ opponents exclusively who were of considerably better quality than Shavers.

Shavers can barely box, Brewster is a good boxer. Shavers 210lbs, Brewster 230lbs. Brewster only few losses to good opponents, Shavers enormous amount of losses to even bummy and cruiser opponents.

Lamon Brewster world champ. Earnie Shaver, never a champ!

Again, do you see the difference, yes or no?

On the contrary, it's only in the minds of OTNB that a guy like Shavers even competes in a similar league let alone hits harder than a guy like Brewster!

In direct contradiction to your theory on the intelligence of us young posters there is a more accurate description of reality. For the 150 years of recorded boxing, every generation has been ridiculed by the previous generation as having been worse than the one before it, only for it later to been lauded in fact much better.

Now, for the first time in history, there is a sizable portion of boxing fans who have become intelligent enough to realise theirs IS the best generation BEFORE the era is in the past! Indeed these are very exciting times

[Arvid_85]

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

[Max Power]

Since I started to write on this board again, I have seen many threads about this Shavers. I have watched him sparingly because his fights were all about if he could land a punch or not, which means he took much punishment and could box shit. Now when he is brought up again here I have watched him again on the tube.

And now I see him as even a worser fighter. All I can ever stand watching is highlights of him knocking or hurting opponents. Watching full fights with him was a pain (except the final round against Ali), seeing this bum just walking around and covering up, almost no punching, gassing out even though he said he chopped wood all that physically tough excersise, weak chin. Jesus Christ, why all this about Shavers?

I will tell you why...

Because Shavers is very special for Nostslgists to promote.

Because he beat Muhammad Ali, and he beat Ken Norton and Foreman and Frazier didn't fight him. And he had competitive fights with young Holmes.

If Earnie Shavers is NOT upheld as something special, of Earnie Shavers is properly regarded as the total bum that he is/was... Then this is what happens...

Muhammad Ali lost to ANOTHER bum.
Ken Norton lost to a bum.
Holmes struggled to beat a bum
Frazier ducked a bum
Foreman ducked a bum

And the whole Golden era it is clear is the most unusually weak era in history even given it's relatively late appearance in the history of boxing.

This is unacceptable for OTNB, so the mythology of Shavers, the religious construction that has become the identity of Earnie Shavers, is put forward as the answer as to the expaination of how such a terrible boxer could pose so much difficulties for the other boxers.

Although it is clear to any objective reader that Earnie Shavers would never step into a professional boxing ring today either as a Cruiser or as a heavy, some of these guys here in fact DO really believe that Shavers would be a decent opponent today at world ranked level.

There are the indoctrinators, and the indoctrinated.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

[Max Power]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

[Max Power]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! lol

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! lol

I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One"

[Max Power]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! lol

I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One"

LOL It would have been considered "kiddie porn" back then and you should probably be prosecuted.

[brocktonblockbust]

Ernie Shavers was a bad ass . 76 wins 68 KOs. FACT. CASE CLOSED. GIVE SOME RESPECT.

All boxers are bad ass, otherwise they would not be boxers.

Earnie Shavers PROPER analysis...

If you exclude all opponents who have been KO'ed before and all opponents who had a loss within 1 year of their encounter with Shavers (a typical thing for cherry-pickers), it turns out that Shavers
KO'ed only 10 guys (median weight 201 lbs), of which 8 guys were bums (like Young Agabab 0-1, 196 lbs, or Steve Carter 15-7, 190 lbs), and only 2 were somewhat good: Howard Smith (17-2, 202 lbs) and Tony Perea (KO7) (16-1, 206 lbs).

Earnie Shavers = Cherry Picker, FACT

Earnie Shavers KO ratio all opponents = 90% (extremely hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 200+ opponents = 68% (hard puncher)
Earnie Shavers KO ratio vs 215+ opponents = 47% (featherfist)

Earnie shavers = Cruiser cruncher
Earnie Shavers = superheavyweight featherfist

Earnie Shavers needed 21 rounds per KO as opposed to all other modern power punchers who needed between 5-7 rounds per KO like Lamon Brewster, Shannon Briggs, Mike Tyson, Lewis, both Klitschko's etc. He has nothing in common with REAL power punchers.

Shavers famous 28 KO streak is reduce to a streak of 2 opponents in a row, once you exclude cruisers, bums and overlate round 13+ KO's. The lowest streak possible.


CONCLUSION: Shavers was a cherry picking, cruiser crunching, bum-buster with no appreciable skills whatsoever and a featherfist punch when viewed against TODAY'S criteria and failed against bigger and against quality opposition.

These are the facts. Case Closed.

Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.
Myth exposed.

Did Earnie ass-rape your mom? Because your "analyses" are a bunch of ho-hokum to the Umpteenth Degree. Meaningless comparisons and subjective "conclusions".

The Black Destroyer must a had a big dick as well as the NUMBER ONE PUNCH for all that old man butt hurt you're showing.

There was nothing "SUBJECTIVE" whatsoever in my analysis of Shavers. Mine was COMPLETELY objective utilising nothing except the actual records of Shavers and his opponents and comparing it with other boxers records. There can BE no more objective analysis.

The only comment subjective was that Earnie had no appreciable skills. An argument I doubt you would seriously want to challenge

Well blockbust, you seem to be able to tell me all about Earnies big dick, so I'm sure you've been more well acquainted with it than I'll ever be. No wonder you support the bum so much, your riding him! lol

I used to be a Film Producer in the porn industry. Earnie did one particular movie in '74 called "The Acorn Rips Mrs. MP a New One"

LOL It would have been considered "kiddie porn" back then and you should probably be prosecuted.

neither me nor Earnie were kids in '74.

[Max Power]

I was referring to me being the kid, as I guessed "MP" was meant to stand for "Max Power"...

Of course I was not even born until 1981 which makes the joke irrelevant either way anyhow but good for a laugh LOL.

Anyway the guy is a bum. And he was ALWAYS a bum. You want to support a boxer like that, go ahead.

I only deal in facts!

[Master]

I was referring to me being the kid, as I guessed "MP" was meant to stand for "Max Power"...

Of course I was not even born until 1981 which makes the joke irrelevant either way anyhow but good for a laugh LOL.

Anyway the guy is a bum. And he was ALWAYS a bum. You want to support a boxer like that, go ahead.

I only deal in facts!

As I have said already the bums you support like Chisora and Povetkin will not be remembered.

[EL DINAMITA]

That is because Ali/Holmes/Lyle has never been hit by the Klitchkos and Lennox Lewis...

Shavers was a bum

[IamInuit]

Muhammad and Larry and Ron Lyle ALL said Earnie The Black Destroyer Shavers was the hardest puncher they ever faced. Thats saying alot because Ali fought Foreman and Holmes fought Tyson. Both Ali and Holmes took MONSTER SHOTS from Big George or Mike Tyson. And Lyle fought BOTH Foreman and Shavers!! And was floored (and also floored!) several times by BOTH fighters.

Larry Holmes: "Mike Tyson hit very sharp and very fast, but he didn't have tremendous power. He put me down 3 times, but I was 38 years old and trained only 2-3 weeks for the fight. He didn't hit anywhere near as hard as Earnie Shavers. Earnie Shavers hit harder than anyone I ever fought, and that includes Mike Tyson, Gerry Cooney, Witherspoon, Mike Weaver. WHEN EARNIE SHAVERS HIT ME AND KNOCKED ME DOWN, IT WAS LIKE THEM OLD-TIME FLASH CAMERAS,--- POP!!! --- I JUST SAW THIS WHITE FLASH and the next thing I know the ref was saying "5.......6.......! "Earnie Shavers...that's the hardest I ever been hit."
-Larry Holmes

Muhammad Ali: "George Foreman was a powerful puncher no doubt. He hurt me once in Zaire to the heart, it was in the second round I think. But I would have to say that The Acorn hit me harder than I was ever hit before, and I fought a lot of heavy hitters---Ron Lyle, Foreman, Frazier, Sonny Liston. "EARNIE SHAVERS, WHEW! That was the hardest I ever got hit."
-Muhammad Ali

"Earnie Shavers, he's the hardest puncher I ever faced, and that's including George Foreman. I ain't never been hit like that."
-Ron Lyle

How would they know? Bunch of liars.