Tyson Fury to fight Christian Hamer

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Nascieamento was 6.5" and undefeated and unknown, unproven, unimportant 10 kos from 13 wins.

Firtha was 6.5" and coming off taking the great Povetkin the distance.and 8 career defeats

Creme de la creme...

Thats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.

Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.

Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott

Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!

Wlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.

In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.

I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins

Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29

Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!

Are you taking the piss!!?

Are you really a boxing odds compiler?



Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!

Whats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.

Oh my god!!

What odds would you give for that then?

[Silkeyjoe]

Nascieamento was 6.5" and undefeated and unknown, unproven, unimportant 10 kos from 13 wins.

Firtha was 6.5" and coming off taking the great Povetkin the distance.and 8 career defeats

Creme de la creme...

Thats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.

Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.

Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott

Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!

Wlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.

In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.

I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins

Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29

Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!

Are you taking the piss!!?

Are you really a boxing odds compiler?



Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!

Whats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.

Oh my god!!

What odds would you give for that then?

Actually looking at his rec again I wouldnt. I though Williams had only been losing to prospects but hes been losing to Journeymen to. But I would have Rogan, Sprott, Skelton, Darch, Turner, Carmichael, McPhilbin and Olubamiwo as favorite over him.

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Nascieamento was 6.5" and undefeated and unknown, unproven, unimportant 10 kos from 13 wins.

Firtha was 6.5" and coming off taking the great Povetkin the distance.and 8 career defeats

Creme de la creme...

Thats a dangerous fight for a rising fighter.

Its not a known quantity. An old name that everyone knows what they are going to get from. He was undefeated, no one knew who he was and is a puncher.

Again. Think like a manager. Putting undefeated, big, unknown punchers against your fighter is dangerous. Ask Warren about when he put Khan in with Prescott

Tyson fought Nasciemento in his 14th fight. Who did Wlad fight in his 14th fight and what was their record like? In fact, same goes for Stiverne and Wilder!

Wlad fought a guy who was 84-18 and in my mind woulkd be undoubtedly better then Nasciemento. Again this is where you reading of records makes you look like a fool. First of all Nasciemento is not an unknown quantity to the matchmaker. These guys are scouted and seen that they are not risks. No promoter is going to throw their guy in with fighters they havent seen before.

In general a domestic journeyman will be far better then the "unbeaten" foreign fighter. By foreing I mean eastern european or south american who has never won out of his home country. Most of these guys records are not reliable and some of their "pro" wins come from a fight in their own gym with no crowd and no certified ref or judges. These guys pose virtually no threat to the home fighter and the promoter can pay them less then the domestic journeymen. It also glams up his fighters resume to part time fans. Oh so and so just blasted out an undefeated fighter. It was used for Joshua in his first fight, for Price against unbeated Dallas when fighters like Skelton are actually more dangerous.

I do wonder how you got your job. This along with big punches beat weak chins

Furys 14th opponent was unbeaten in 13 fights with 10 knockouts. Is 6,5" and was 29

Jerry Halstead, Wlads 14th opponent on the other hand who you think is more dangerous had a record of 84,18,1 with 11 of his losses coming by KO!!! Is only 6,1"!! And was 34..... Previous to fighting Wlad he lost to a cruiser weight and was proper KO'd inside 1 round by Jeremy Williams! Thats half the time it took Wlad by the way!

Are you taking the piss!!?

Are you really a boxing odds compiler?



Also, do you know what Stiverne was doing in his 14th fight? Coming back from being stopped..... Oh and Wilders opponent had 34 losses and in Wilders previous fight he was dragging himself off the floor against a complete nobody called Sconiers!

Whats Nascimentos rec outside of Brazil? Thats what his true rec is. As I stated before these guys are brought over to glam up prospects records. He wouldnt get into the top 20 of British heavyweights. Pretty sure Danny Williams would still beat him.

Oh my god!!

What odds would you give for that then?

Actually looking at his rec again I wouldnt. I though Williams had only been losing to prospects but hes been losing to Journeymen to. But I would have Rogan, Sprott, Skelton, Darch, Turner, Carmichael, McPhilbin and Olubamiwo as favorite over him.

Yeah, thats what I thought.....