May 1973 ~ 'Heavyweight Rankings'

[Master]

Foreman was a gold medal Olympian so he had pedigree boxing skills. He was very powerful and so clubbed these fighters to win his matches. I am sure George would agree she should have developed his boxing skills particularly his jab, which he did in his comeback 20 years later. I think had he developed his skills and composure he would have beaten Ali.

Haye may be more athletic than Ali, he certainly was not as skilled.

Also remember Ali's peak was never seen. Anything he did after the comeback was a bonus as he lost his reflexes and had to use his durability won win fights. That is why he is no amazing.

[brocktonblockbust]

George Foreman in that Roman fight really showed his greatness. What a final finishing uppercut to knock the slick Roman's ass right the fuck OUT. Roman was down for 35 seconds before he could even get into a sitting position. WHAT BRUTE FORCE!! FOREMAN HIT HARDER WITH ONE HAND THAN BOTH KLITSCHKO'S TOGETHER, PLUS ADD IN DAVID FEATHER-FIST HAYE'S POWER

[Bill Paxtom]

Jose 'King' Roman

A hell of a good Puerto Rican Heavyweight.

May 1973

Age.......... 26 years, 6 months
Height ..... 5' 10"
Reach ..... 72"
Weight .... 196 lbs.

Record..... 43-7-1 {21 KO's}

Very fast-handed, and a good mover.

Jose was on a tear, and had gone {22-1-0} since August 1969 {3 years, 9 months}.

I would not have wanted to tangle with him.

[Max Power]

George Foreman in that Roman fight really showed his greatness. What a final finishing uppercut to knock the slick Roman's ass right the fuck OUT. Roman was down for 35 seconds before he could even get into a sitting position. WHAT BRUTE FORCE!! FOREMAN HIT HARDER WITH ONE HAND THAN BOTH KLITSCHKO'S TOGETHER, PLUS ADD IN DAVID FEATHER-FIST HAYE'S POWER

LOL PPPLEASE!



Ken Norton, Joe Roman and Joe Frazier...

What a TESTING run a HW champion. Overmatched chinny featherfists, flogged out by nothing more than a much stronger man walloping them left and right with no recourse to anything else whatsoever.

What is among the saddest things I've ever seen in boxing, @brocktonblockbust sees an awesome display.

I wonder if Foreman could have done it like that against Haye or Klitschko's opponents?

Yes Davey boy or Wladdy cake would have no answer for a 6'3", 220lber standing stationary in the pocket winging left, right, left, right, nice and wide for all to see.

There might be time for a cup of coffee inbetween counters LOL

[Max Power]

Joe Roman didn't look all that slick here to me.

"Defense" must have taken a different meaning back then.

Jose Roman... The Chris Byrd of the 70's ey haha

[Bill Paxtom]

Joe Roman didn't look all that slick here to me.

"Defense" must have taken a different meaning back then.

Jose Roman... The Chris Byrd of the 70's ey haha

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Jose 'King' Roman didn't win all those bouts on defense alone.

The man could box. He spanked {World-ranked} Jose Manuel Urtain pretty good.

Triple left-jabs, then a quick right-hook.

[Max Power]

Joe Roman didn't look all that slick here to me.

"Defense" must have taken a different meaning back then.

Jose Roman... The Chris Byrd of the 70's ey haha

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Jose 'King' Roman didn't win all those bouts on defense alone.

The man could box. He spanked {World-ranked} Jose Manuel Urtain pretty good.

Triple left-jabs, then a quick right-hook.

Jose Urtain 56-11 (decent opponent for the day)...

How many of his opponents were cruisers?

How many of his opponents were bummy?

There is an even quicker assessment that can be made...

Jose Roman... 53-27... Bummy record himself!

Foreman stages one of his 3 title defences against a bummy boxer, a massively out-talled and out-weighed one = proof of greatness for the OTNB's (look how Foreman handles him with ease!)

I wonder if Foreman were he champion today, would be ALLOWED to defend against someone like Roman! Kind of doubtful is what I'd say!

[Bill Paxtom]

Jose 'King' Roman

"Quality Wins"

* March 15, 1969 ........ W Dec 10 ..... Jack O'Halloran ~ 16-1-1
* June 6, 1969 ............ W Dec 10 ..... Chuck Wepner ~ 18-3-2
* May 25, 1970 ........... W Dec 10 ..... Jack O'Halloran ~ 19-7-2
* October 26, 1970 ..... W Dec 10 ...... Manuel Ramos ~ 27-13-3
* April 3, 1972 ............ W Dec 10 ...... Jose Manuel Urtain ~ 39-3-2
* November 21, 1972 .. W Dec 10 ..... Terry Daniels ~ 32-8-1

Jose's record was 43-7-1 before he faced George Foreman.

You can't register '43-wins' if you're a bad fighter.

Long Live 'King' Roman.

[Max Power]

Foreman was a gold medal Olympian so he had pedigree boxing skills. He was very powerful and so clubbed these fighters to win his matches. I am sure George would agree she should have developed his boxing skills particularly his jab, which he did in his comeback 20 years later. I think had he developed his skills and composure he would have beaten Ali.

Haye may be more athletic than Ali, he certainly was not as skilled.

Also remember Ali's peak was never seen. Anything he did after the comeback was a bonus as he lost his reflexes and had to use his durability won win fights. That is why he is no amazing.

No version of Muhammad Ali ever came remotely close to having 1/5th the skills of David Haye, let's get that straight.

David Haye is possibly the fastest boxer with the fastest reflexes ever to box at HW. He finds his mark really often against longer ranged fighters and he barely ever gets hit in his fights he is so elusive. And he delivers outstanding shots of his own and has the agility of a cat.

What skills did Muhammad Ali have? He basically did a merry go round of his opponents and sliped them a couple of windmakers here and there and then ran away. And everytime he was cornered or he stayed in the pocket too long he got walloped by the slowest of shots. And this is the PRIME Ali!

The issue with your statement about Muhammad, is that PRIOR to his second career, Muhammad Ali NEVER FOUGHT A DECENT OPPONENT!

His best "win" would have been against Liston, a gift retirement which was otherwise even on the cards, and a rematch which was almost certainly a dive, strange circumstances surrounded which as well. So Ali 1st career never convincingly beat his best opponent.

Also he is credited with his apparently only proper KO win at this time, against Big Cat Williams, an opponent which could not even spar or train properly, had been gunshot the year prior and had large amount of his intestines and abdominal+pelvic organs removed and had a visibly atrophied leg and walked with a limp!

Unbelievable!

OBVIOUSLY Muhammad Ali 2 was better because he was heavier, stronger, more durable and more experienced than Muhammad Ali 1! How could it really be otherwise!

And just because Ali and Foreman didn't/couldn't fight during their physical primes (allegedly) does not mean they would have been better than David Haye or Wladimir Klitschko!

[Bill Paxtom]

Jack 'The Giant' O'Halloran

Talks about 'mass' > 6' 6" @ 235 lbs.

May 1973 > 32-16-2 {16 KO's}

'Jack the Giant' was riding a hot streak by going 8-1-0 {5 KO's} over the
previous 11-Months.

Jack {Age; 30 years, 1 month} was also the reigning California State Heavyweight
Champion.

Jack, who was ranked at #24, was seeking a bout with #12 ranked - Mac Foster.