Roy Jones Chin

[SlimTrae]

I disagree J.

RJJ @ MW & LHW had compubox numbers that were silly-stupid in his favor.

I think if we researched those stats we'd find Roy was the least hit fighter...since Floyd.


But there is a myth about RJJ's chin in the amatuers- durable.
When he lost his 3rd bid at the GG...he was a two time winner. He faced Gerald McCellan and they banged.

I know the fighter who talked about but cant think of his name right now. He was one of the amatuers who fought & said it was a war! McCellan won, but he had to wait out a few weeks from a sore jaw.

RJJ was actually able to fight the very next week.

I never paid attention to the numbers. They can be inflated. I've seen him hit enough times to know if he was chinny or not based on how the punch was thrown, landed and how ready he was for it. He wasn't chinny but I wouldn't say he had a granite chin either. He rolled very well and was careful about his positioning. Also take into account that Aside from the headgear and the +2 oz weight difference in gloves from the pros, that many fighters in the GG aren't really polished yet either. I've seen lots of kids in the GG that are not fully turning their punches over, generating power from their stance, their waist and not snapping hooks at the elbows. Not saying roy or the G-man weren't. Its not as bad as the olympics in terms of encouraging numbers instead of power, but its not like the pros. There just tends to be a difference.

It's no biggie, though I am hard pressed to think what fight Roy had, where I can remember anyone landing more than a few punches ...up till Montell Griffin- 34 fights into his career.

Griffin did some hard hitting in fight two...but that was the canvas he hit hard.


Serioulsy, Devalle & Harding are really the only two names I can think of- up till Tarver & Johnson.

Toney was outclassed- even though he fucked himself by trying to lose what? 20-30lbs inbetween fights? RJJ never got close to being hit with the shit Toney lands on others.

Ruiz got clowned..& with the help of Jay nady who ensured he couldn't fight inside/grappling- Roy never got chin checked by a heavy who dropped Holy.

& the dude I was thinking of is IceMan John Scully.
He wrote a book awhile back where he talks about the war that was never taped between RJJ and Gman.

I use to correspond with him on a few boards and he always deciminated some cool under the radar knowledge.

[J_Undisputed]

I disagree J.

RJJ @ MW & LHW had compubox numbers that were silly-stupid in his favor.

I think if we researched those stats we'd find Roy was the least hit fighter...since Floyd.


But there is a myth about RJJ's chin in the amatuers- durable.
When he lost his 3rd bid at the GG...he was a two time winner. He faced Gerald McCellan and they banged.

I know the fighter who talked about but cant think of his name right now. He was one of the amatuers who fought & said it was a war! McCellan won, but he had to wait out a few weeks from a sore jaw.

RJJ was actually able to fight the very next week.

I never paid attention to the numbers. They can be inflated. I've seen him hit enough times to know if he was chinny or not based on how the punch was thrown, landed and how ready he was for it. He wasn't chinny but I wouldn't say he had a granite chin either. He rolled very well and was careful about his positioning. Also take into account that Aside from the headgear and the +2 oz weight difference in gloves from the pros, that many fighters in the GG aren't really polished yet either. I've seen lots of kids in the GG that are not fully turning their punches over, generating power from their stance, their waist and not snapping hooks at the elbows. Not saying roy or the G-man weren't. Its not as bad as the olympics in terms of encouraging numbers instead of power, but its not like the pros. There just tends to be a difference.

It's no biggie, though I am hard pressed to think what fight Roy had, where I can remember anyone landing more than a few punches ...up till Montell Griffin- 34 fights into his career.

Griffin did some hard hitting in fight two...but that was the canvas he hit hard.


Serioulsy, Devalle & Harding are really the only two names I can think of- up till Tarver & Johnson.

Toney was outclassed- even though he fucked himself by trying to lose what? 20-30lbs inbetween fights? RJJ never got close to being hit with the shit Toney lands on others.

Ruiz got clowned..& with the help of Jay nady who ensured he couldn't fight inside/grappling- Roy never got chin checked by a heavy who dropped Holy.

& the dude I was thinking of is IceMan John Scully.
He wrote a book awhile back where he talks about the war that was never taped between RJJ and Gman.

I use to correspond with him on a few boards and he always deciminated some cool under the radar knowledge.

Well its not the number of punches landed but how good they landed, when and where. It only took one punch from tarver on a drained jones. Jones worked him through the first round.

I agree harding pressed roy. In the second griffin fight, Roy was progressively looking to walk through griffins punches. You can tell he wanted it so bad, he wasn't going to stop till he got vindication. Toney was drained but he would have always gotten schooled even if he was healthy, roy knew the key to fighting toney was to take away the inside fighting and avoid falling for those traps that toney set by rolling his shoulder to partially veil his punches.

As for ruiz, watch the first round again. Theres about with about 30 seconds left where Ruiz start brawling and buzzes roy momentarily. You cant see the feet becausei t was partially obscured on the hbo telecast but you'll still be able to tell with roys posture thats that his feet were looking for solid ground. At that point roy just starts swinging with ruiz to show him its not going to be easy... Late on roy would go on to stumble ruiz and return the favor. I think it might have been round 6.

[mikeeod]

Roy wasn't chinny in my opinion. He took a decent left hook from Toney in their fight n wasn't even buzzed. Tarver laded the perfect shot, at the perfect time n was a big puncher. I admire Roy for getting up from that one. He took a pounding from Johnson prior to being stopped. It's not like Glenn turned his lights out with his first solid shot...

I do think that Tarvers style would have always given aroy problems. Liles n Nunn were avoided for this reason, and Harding gave him fits because of his long build n southpaw jab. Griffins defense gave aroy fits in the first fight also. That being said, Roy wouldn't have been stopped by them for being chinny, he could take a decent shot until he list it mentally...

[Spicoli]

I don't think he was chinny at all. He was hit clean many times at the same time he was exploding and blinding everyone ring side in a sea of camera flashes. It was a matter of time catching up and the holes growing wider. Harding was touching him years before he put on weight and beat up Ruiz. Tarver for all his bravado and cartoonish disposition was a helluva thinking boxer.

[SlimTrae]

@J_Undisputed.

You're right. I forgot that first round, end as you said was the best part of the fight. Ruiz caught Roy & Roy ate it like candy.

[powerpuncher]

it depends your definition of chinny. the problem is that people are thinking of a total glass jaw type of fighter which i dont believe that roy was. i also dont believe that he had a granite chin either. he had a decent enough chin to take shots here and there without getting wobbled or retreating.

it was no coincidence that the first fight with tarver was by far the worst that jones had ever looked. you could tell he wasnt the same jones. jones is a prime example of getting old overnight and i think it had to do with his gaining weight and then losing it. so yes, by that time, i would say he was a little more chinny than he was earlier in his career.

[Max Power]

If there's one thing I have noticed over the years it's that all of the most elite boxers who hardly ever get hit, like Jones, are all accused of 2 things..

- They lack chin, and "hide" behind "skills" and/or "range" and/or "speed" and/or "strength"

AND

- They lack fundamental boxing skills, and "hide" behind "speed" and "reflexes" and "movement"

Therefore anybody who encapsulates the ideal boxing form, to beat the hell out of your opponent whilst barely getting hit back, automatically becomes WORSE than a guy who can barely box but takes a lot of punches.

Something is wrong with this picture I think.

It's actually ridiculous to think that Roy had a "weak" chin. Sure, he did not have a chin of iron or anything but he had to have "decent" chin. Otherwise he could not have been as successful as he was despite his skillset, championship level boxing demands your chin is atleast decent with regards to the calibre of your opposition.

And individual attributes are of only minor importance anyhow. Win/loss, and KO/non-KO and quality of opposition is what ultimately matters.

Roy Jones is among the best boxers lb for lb of all time. That counts for more than anything regarding his chin.