Are Ring rankings still the gold standard?

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To their credit TBR does not rank Chavez but they have Abraham at #2 also and Sturm at #6. They are all guilty of a paper trail sooner or later. At hev they have Fury at 2. Now I know its a wasteland but #2? The Ring has him at #3.

At middle both have Cotto as champion and that's insane. Much of the Rings history had the person viewed by the educated boxing public and sports writers as the undisputed champion with or without all the belts.
Paying to much attention to what was lineal has also helped just line them up with others as lineal is also a flawed concept. Does anyone actually believe that Cotto could beat the Kazak?
And both have Kid Ovaltine ranked at #2 and Martinez at # 3. That’s just wrong. I find the differences with all of these Orgs negligible at best.[/QUOTE]






Wow, rankings like that?
My 1980-1990's Ring magazines, I was lock in step with whom they had ranked division wise & P4P.
Can't say I would today with you've quote, thats pretty rough.[/QUOTE]






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Take 168 for example. How is Arthur Abraham ranked #2 behind Froch? How is Chavez ranked 9?
To their credit TBR does not rank Chavez but they have Abraham at #2 also and Sturm at #6. They are all guilty of a paper trail sooner or later. At hev they have Fury at 2. Now I know its a wasteland but #2? The Ring has him at #3.

At middle both have Cotto as champion and that's insane. Much of the Rings history had the person viewed by the educated boxing public and sports writers as the undisputed champion with or without all the belts.
Paying to much attention to what was lineal has also helped just line them up with others as lineal is also a flawed concept. Does anyone actually believe that Cotto could beat the Kazak?
And both have Kid Ovaltine ranked at #2 and Martinez at # 3. That’s just wrong. I find the differences with all of these Orgs negligible at best.

Ranking contenders over a continuous period of time can be more difficult than just posting a one off list of the top 10 contenders. Achievements in a division, opposition and other results become a factor.

I'd be curious to see your Super-Middle ratings. I rank Abraham at #2 at 168 behind Ward as Champion and Froch as the number one contender. He is a 2 time titlist at 168, and a former titlist at 160. Who would you rate ahead? Groves who has suffered 2 recent back to back knockout loses (controversial or not). Anthony Dirrell? Whose only victory of note is Bika. Or Andre Dirrel who has painfully inactive at this weight and his recent opposition has been limited. Stieglitz? Who Abraham holds 2 victories over. Sturm is rated because he arguably defeated Stieglitz in their drawn bout. DeGale has been impressive but it would be a push for wins over Gonzalez and Periban to carry him as high as #2.

I do currently rate Chavez (#9) mainly due to the fact that Vera was riding victories over Mora and Dzinziruk into the first Chavez fight, which he arguably won. Chavez defeating Vera was enough to get him inside the 168 ratings. I would like to rank Sanchez (my #10 who I consider the real deal) who I would love to see face Chavez higher, but his caliber of opposition does not currently allow for it.

I would consider not having Cotto as champ at 160 insane. He has followed the linage set when Hopkins became the champion in defeating Trinidad and he deserves that recognition!

The champion is not always the best fighter in the division. Look at Patterson for example who was steered clear of Liston. Or Hagler waiting around for his shot. Those guys were considered the best fighters in the division but they were never champion until they beat the man.

Question: If we had Wilder or Fury challenging Wlad tomorrow and Wlad was beaten, would you consider the winner the new champion? I think most would, Cotto deserves the same credit.

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Take 168 for example. How is Arthur Abraham ranked #2 behind Froch? How is Chavez ranked 9?
To their credit TBR does not rank Chavez but they have Abraham at #2 also and Sturm at #6. They are all guilty of a paper trail sooner or later. At hev they have Fury at 2. Now I know its a wasteland but #2? The Ring has him at #3.

At middle both have Cotto as champion and that's insane. Much of the Rings history had the person viewed by the educated boxing public and sports writers as the undisputed champion with or without all the belts.
Paying to much attention to what was lineal has also helped just line them up with others as lineal is also a flawed concept. Does anyone actually believe that Cotto could beat the Kazak?
And both have Kid Ovaltine ranked at #2 and Martinez at # 3. That’s just wrong. I find the differences with all of these Orgs negligible at best.

Ranking contenders over a continuous period of time can be more difficult than just posting a one off list of the top 10 contenders. Achievements in a division, opposition and other results become a factor.

I'd be curious to see your Super-Middle ratings. I rank Abraham at #2 at 168 behind Ward as Champion and Froch as the number one contender. He is a 2 time titlist at 168, and a former titlist at 160. Who would you rate ahead? Groves who has suffered 2 recent back to back knockout loses (controversial or not). Anthony Dirrell? Whose only victory of note is Bika. Or Andre Dirrel who has painfully inactive at this weight and his recent opposition has been limited. Stieglitz? Who Abraham holds 2 victories over. Sturm is rated because he arguably defeated Stieglitz in their drawn bout. DeGale has been impressive but it would be a push for wins over Gonzalez and Periban to carry him as high as #2.

I do currently rate Chavez (#9) mainly due to the fact that Vera was riding victories over Mora and Dzinziruk into the first Chavez fight, which he arguably won. Chavez defeating Vera was enough to get him inside the 168 ratings. I would like to rank Sanchez (my #10 who I consider the real deal) who I would love to see face Chavez higher, but his caliber of opposition does not currently allow for it.

I would consider not having Cotto as champ at 160 insane. He has followed the linage set when Hopkins became the champion in defeating Trinidad and he deserves that recognition!

The champion is not always the best fighter in the division. Look at Patterson for example who was steered clear of Liston. Or Hagler waiting around for his shot. Those guys were considered the best fighters in the division but they were never champion until they beat the man.

Question: If we had Wilder or Fury challenging Wlad tomorrow and Wlad was beaten, would you consider the winner the new champion? I think most would, Cotto deserves the same credit.

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