Why does nobody hate unemployed British Immigrants?

[ryanman]

"Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments."

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU | UK news | The Guardian

These people aren't economic migrants. There are several million Brits in France, Spain and Italy. These are people who've bought a house abroad and moved the family. The money they're picking up will be mostly child benefit claimed by their "unemployed" mothers. There's a massive difference between a bunch of middle class Brits heading off for a life in the sun moving abroad with hundreds of thousands of pounds of assets and a bunch of dirt poor economic migrants moving the other way to slash labour rates for almost all British workers, take housing and healthcare and education resources away from native Brits and take away large numbers of their jobs.

Most illegal immigrants in this country are Australian and American. People have no problem with them.
Now I know we are talking about the migration of EU workers, but the reason most people are ok with the above, but not ok with legal migrants from the EU isn't for the reasons you have said. You may have an objective and reasoned argument against immigration but for many others their real objections are far more insidious, and you know it.

[Dia bando]

"Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments."

Revealed: thousands of Britons on benefits across EU | UK news | The Guardian

These people aren't economic migrants. There are several million Brits in France, Spain and Italy. These are people who've bought a house abroad and moved the family. The money they're picking up will be mostly child benefit claimed by their "unemployed" mothers. There's a massive difference between a bunch of middle class Brits heading off for a life in the sun moving abroad with hundreds of thousands of pounds of assets and a bunch of dirt poor economic migrants moving the other way to slash labour rates for almost all British workers, take housing and healthcare and education resources away from native Brits and take away large numbers of their jobs.

Most illegal immigrants in this country are Australian and American. People have no problem with them.
Now I know we are talking about the migration of EU workers, but the reason most people are ok with the above, but not ok with legal migrants from the EU isn't for the reasons you have said. You may have an objective and reasoned argument against immigration but for many others their real objections are far more insidious, and you know it.

I am not okay with illegal immigrants, no mater were they are from myself as EU immigration goes,
you no my stand were I live I see the affects, Jobs, housing, health care.
No mater what people say I have seen, the affects immigration has on the area were I live, we don't
need unskilled workers, what happens to our unskilled that should be employed.!
We are to bloody soft, give jobs and housing to our own FIRST.

[Dia bando]

I feel extremely sorry we cant, wipe out poverty proved good housing, and health care and jobs
for all, but we can't most of the immigrant workers are from, poverty struck country which at
best, are rebuilding after years of communist rule.
The economic facts are, it has taken years to have jobs, health care, and housing as our country
is run into the ground, by a bunch of posh upper class twerps.

[Master]

Kirkland said it right because they are rich and have large assets.

[Dark Lord Al]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

[brocktonblockbust]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

Seems fair. Let the BHL crowd pay for them waste cases.

[Beanz]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

Seems fair. Let the BHL crowd pay for them waste cases.

Bleeding heart liberals is an American term. It's dumb and witless like your posting. You aren't British or European so get your head out of everyone else's arse it's embarrassing. You are such a wet fish.

[ryanman]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

We'd also have to have an option to opt out of having to pay taxes to fix problems caused by smoking, drinking alcohol, overeating etc. Who is without sin? Do you exercise a lot Al? If not I'd like to not pay tax towards any health costs that you are going to incur for us.

Also, immigrants pay more tax than gets spent on them. Proven. Don't let a simple fact stop you repeating that kind of line. You're entitled to your opinion but at least let it be based on fact. If you don't like foreigners living here then just say it. You have before.

Nobody wants to pay for people that simply refuse to work. Despite how often you imply people do.
It's just some people can understand that making blanket statements (or policies if you were in charge) affects and harms lots of people that do not deserve to be harmed. Therefore people generally try to look for solutions that will solve the problem without ending up harming people that deserve help.

Trying to separate the truly worthy from the 'scroungers' is difficult but it is what governments are trying to do. If you have any solutions that might actually work then say so.

[Dark Lord Al]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

We'd also have to have an option to opt out of having to pay taxes to fix problems caused by smoking, drinking alcohol, overeating etc. Who is without sin? Do you exercise a lot Al? If not I'd like to not pay tax towards any health costs that you are going to incur for us.

Also, immigrants pay more tax than gets spent on them. Proven. Don't let a simple fact stop you repeating that kind of line. You're entitled to your opinion but at least let it be based on fact. If you don't like foreigners living here then just say it. You have before.

Nobody wants to pay for people that simply refuse to work. Despite how often you imply people do.
It's just some people can understand that making blanket statements (or policies if you were in charge) affects and harms lots of people that do not deserve to be harmed. Therefore people generally try to look for solutions that will solve the problem without ending up harming people that deserve help.

Trying to separate the truly worthy from the 'scroungers' is difficult but it is what governments are trying to do. If you have any solutions that might actually work then say so.

You don't I have my own private health care.
A large number of immigrants either don't work or earn well below the taxable rate , that is a fact , they also have families who need health care etc.
You honestly believe the equation works ? Well our financial state is testament to the fact is isn't working.

[Kirkland Laing]

The system if allowed to continue , then it need to give people an opt out clause , if you don't want any of your taxes going to dead legs and immigrants then you should be able to have a tax rebate and opt out.
Then if the people who are happy to pay for these people , they can make up the short fall.
That seems very fair to me.

Even when you include benefits paid to working immigrants like tax credits the country is better off with them in rather than out -- until they retire and start costing serious money. But the current immigration boom kicks that can thirty odd years down the line past the time when the fiftysomethings running the country in government and the civil service have had their index-linked pensions paid by the new arrivals and then carked it. It's something for the next generations to deal with then.

What would really make things more equal is to let the chattering/political/media/professional metropolitan classes, and I'm thinking particularly London here, experience what the rest of the country has to deal with.

India produces ten million graduates a year. Far more than they need and graduates over the re are working for as little as 5k a year.

So I'm thinking send over a million visas foe English-speaking graduates. Let them come over here and let the graduate/management class in England (currently with an effective zero percent unemployment rate) feel the benfits of immigration. No more pay rises, zero hours contracts, terrified to be the first to go home every day, having to do unpaid weekends and overtime every time the phone rang and so on. Not to mention lots of them being made unemployed, house repossessions and so on. Only then would there be a change in policy. But how do you change policy? How do you pay for our demographic time bomb?

[Beanz]

Stop making huge assumptions about countries you don't live in Brockton. I meet many new working immigrants here every week. They are not the ignorant people you seek to portray them as. They are lectures, professors and heads of department in the universities I work at, so good luck teaching them English. You and Miles both teach English as a foreign language, we get that, but there are many with phds and masters on the forum, so please try and get over yourself.

[Fenster]

There are people with phds and masters on this forum? That sounds important. Who?

[Andre]

Kirkland said it right because they are rich and have large assets.

I could do with a woman like that.

[Andre]

We dont do bad here considering religion and politics are talked about in great detail.

Trouble starts when someone says 'oh so that means you'....

No fucker, that means you thought it up and went further out than the parameters we were working in and tried to drag me out there.

[brocktonblockbust]

We dont do bad here considering religion and politics are talked about in great detail.

Trouble starts when someone says 'oh so that means you'....

No fucker, that means you thought it up and went further out than the parameters we were working in and tried to drag me out there.

Agreed. "So that means you..." starts trouble and takes it to an unnecessarily personal level. Vehemently disagreeing in a non-personal manner however is loads of fun and cannot ever be trouble.