Looking for the roots of terrorism

[Beanz]

@Andre Don't forget that Greenbeanz is the one that created this thread -
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...gies-evil.html

I think he takes a very balanced and objective view mate. He never makes excuses for the acts, he doesn't deny that there is a problem of an extremist strand in Islam. Yet he also doesn't make sweeping statements that are anti Islamic.
Also, when discussing the causes of Islamic extremism he is balanced in that he can see,and has often said, that the causes are more complex than those often put forward. Saying that he doesn't want all the mosques closed doesn't mean he is in denial that there is an issue that needs addressing.

Sure, and me pointing out some factual events and a whole section of terrorism the Anthropologist fellow omitted doesnt make me the reverse to him or anti education either.

Of course not but terms like "so called educated" can hardly be interpreted as a ringing endorsement of education either. I can not speak for Ryan or anyone else, but it is certainly not my intention to polarise debate, far from it. I have never suggested people disagreeing must somehow take the reverse position of any point that I am making, or an argument I agree with, but it is something that I have thrown in my face everyday. People seem unable or unwilling to tolerate anything but one extreme or another. Life in my experience is never ever that simple.

[brocktonblockbust]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

[Beanz]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

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[Andre]

@Andre Don't forget that Greenbeanz is the one that created this thread -
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...gies-evil.html

I think he takes a very balanced and objective view mate. He never makes excuses for the acts, he doesn't deny that there is a problem of an extremist strand in Islam. Yet he also doesn't make sweeping statements that are anti Islamic.
Also, when discussing the causes of Islamic extremism he is balanced in that he can see,and has often said, that the causes are more complex than those often put forward. Saying that he doesn't want all the mosques closed doesn't mean he is in denial that there is an issue that needs addressing.

Sure, and me pointing out some factual events and a whole section of terrorism the Anthropologist fellow omitted doesnt make me the reverse to him or anti education either.

Of course not but terms like "so called educated" can hardly be interpreted as a ringing endorsement of education either. I can not speak for Ryan or anyone else, but it is certainly not my intention to polarise debate, far from it. I have never suggested people disagreeing must somehow take the reverse position of any point that I am making, or an argument I agree with, but it is something that I have thrown in my face everyday. People seem unable or unwilling to tolerate anything but one extreme or another. Life in my experience is never ever that simple.

Did I write so called educated? I couldnt find where I did that? ,if it was me, then i would of been pointing out this fellow aimed at one part of terrorism and then painted the whole scene from that one point. Thats how I read it, but I am uneducated .

[Beanz]

there is a real threat, and there are those who will not offer solutions. To them the obsession is to at all costs remain altruistic and humane which I too am all for, but solutions are being avoided at the real expense of foregone time, losing the jump on it day by day as it builds globally. I have advocated seriously coming up with strategies similar to what @Andre has suggested as well, to rout out the maybe 1% of extremist cells/groups among them as well. I have suggested (and even taken a small bit of action here in Turkey with) fantastic strategies of community outreach, relationship building, working together with imams to identify individuals who may be overheard or observed speaking about planning violent acts, etc. or exhibiting in the opinion of an imam a dangerous extremist behavior, calls for violent jihad against innocent people, etc. But there are those who will say there is some problem or other with this, and yet will offer no solution of their own. Its easy to sit back singing Kum-Ba-Ya and say what the solution is NOT, that is the contrarian's way of not sticking one's neck out and offering a solution.

It is merely your assertion that is my obsession. It is quite obvious that in reality the one thing I could not be so easily labelled as, is a pussy footer. While it is lovely to hear you boasting about your "fantastic strategies" in a country and religion that apparently is not your own, It's quite difficult to believe much that you say. When you can bring yourself to address me in person then maybe others will start to see promise in your new found ambassadorial role. I offer no easy solutions because I am not so arrogant or naive to think that is within my ability. Did you mention to your Muslim friends your desire to shut all the Mosques in Europe or your desire to personally vet the English speaking ability of all Immigrants to the UK and USA or your desire to do unspeakable things and rub pork fat into the mouths of Terrorists or your Bwaaahhhaaahaaing every faith and religion and their gullible followers?

You can call me a bleeding heart liberal until you are blue in the face and dismiss me as a do gooder or some other nefarious bullshit reduction, but it won't make your own argument any stronger and it certainly will do nothing to let things move forward.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

[brocktonblockbust]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

[brocktonblockbust]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

YES and packed with currants, candied cherries, and the most purple MULBERRIES

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

Shh you are only allowed to whisper these things! You will get us all killed.

There are some governments and western religious orders that also need to be closed down too if the truth is known.

Fruit cakes everywhere these days.

Indonesia really worries me for both reasons.

you are fucking fruit cake too btw.

YES and packed with currants, candied cherries, and the most purple MULBERRIES

And Nuts.

[X]

Ive started my own religion. It's one where people don't get violently offended by the actions of others, where priests don't fiddle with kids and where countries don't need to be partitioned because they have different imaginary friends.

It's a non-prophet organisation.

[ryanman]

@Andre Don't forget that Greenbeanz is the one that created this thread -
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...gies-evil.html

I think he takes a very balanced and objective view mate. He never makes excuses for the acts, he doesn't deny that there is a problem of an extremist strand in Islam. Yet he also doesn't make sweeping statements that are anti Islamic.
Also, when discussing the causes of Islamic extremism he is balanced in that he can see,and has often said, that the causes are more complex than those often put forward. Saying that he doesn't want all the mosques closed doesn't mean he is in denial that there is an issue that needs addressing.

Sure, and me pointing out some factual events and a whole section of terrorism the Anthropologist fellow omitted doesnt make me the reverse to him or anti education either.

Of course not mate.

[ryanman]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

[Andre]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

What makes you right?
When I am?

[SlimTrae]

Going on our past I'm certain each of our countries would in each main city have deep operatives that have been inside for years.
Im all for them on this occasion its the only way to nip them at the bud.

Im all for those operatives, cooperatives, and Scotch Bonnet Sonnets, Sonic Rocket Cell-Busters.
Also, there are some mosques which should be closed, as every member of them are very audibly espousing violent jihad.

I thought the same but it's just guess work really for us.
I saw a documentary which had cctv footage inside a supposedly radical Mosque.
At some point two guys came in espousing jihad and were actually confronted and physically removed.
I was surprised and pleased to see that.

No one is denying there is a an issue Brockton. It's just different views, opinions and guesses on the origins of the problem, the nature of the problem, the scale of the problem and the solution to the problem.
I don't see anyone denying an issue and pretending everything is fine (or singing kam-ba-ya) it's just people giving their opinion (which might be different to yours) on the other aspects of the debate. Someone giving a different opinion isn't the same as saying that your not entitled to yours.

On Point.