Looking for the roots of terrorism

[brocktonblockbust]

I haven't seen anyone deny there is an issue. Kum-Ba-Ya means someone who poo-poo's someone's suggestions of community action/relationship building/working together with imams on the grounds that "don't tell Muslims what to do" etc. but then they themselves offer no solutions and/oradmit they don't have the expertise to find a solution. I think you misinterpreted what I meant by Kum-Ba-Ya. I hope I clarified that now. Stop talking shit about Kum-Ba-Ya its a right good choon mate.

[Dia bando]

The is a wonderful song you haters.

[Beanz]

I haven't seen anyone deny there is an issue. Kum-Ba-Ya means someone who poo-poo's someone's suggestions of community action/relationship building/working together with imams on the grounds that "don't tell Muslims what to do" etc. but then they themselves offer no solutions and/oradmit they don't have the expertise to find a solution. I think you misinterpreted what I meant by Kum-Ba-Ya. I hope I clarified that now. Stop talking shit about Kum-Ba-Ya its a right good choon mate.

It's just a childish never ending dig and one that you are seeking to impose as a stereotype. Closing all the Mosques in Europe is not working together, it's a dumb thing to say, Just like 29 Million Romanian Immigrants, etc. These were threads you started, not passing comments, It's a free forum and you can say what you like but you don't get the right to shut down debate by insisting that anyone who does not 100% agree with your looney ideas is a hater, or some other PC rubbish. It's weird, I have sensed a disconnect in your recent posting but could not put my finger on it. It is, that the inverse of what you are claiming, is actually true. You really are paranoid, and so over sensitive and bleeding hearted liberal that you can not stand people not pussy footing around you. If it's not adoration it's seen as an attack, that I am afraid is your problem mate and something you are going to have to learn to deal with. I have never put anyone on ignore, or sent you or anyone else bad rep, or any abusive PM's, or solicited other posters to log in onto another anonymous account on my behalf, or threatened other posters by PM, and am not about to do so. So maybe you can give it a rest and let it go, if you have the expertise to manage that. I am sure the forum and the entire Muslim world would be grateful for such a fantastic gesture of reconciliation.

[Andre]

You ever get the feeling a load of old shit could get get dragged out?
Beanz, Brock already said The shut all mosques was a knee jerk emotional post to what happened.
We all knew it,it got talked out. We all just got to lighten up and refrain from getting personal or all the threads will just go to shit.
Theres a Lets get it on section if you really want to swing or go crazy and post stuff but we are all reasonably chill even there, but it seems those engagements start out here first like it has to be seen.
Why care about BHL I have some tenancies to that side and some to the other big deal,I think the key to engaging on the size of personalities we have here is to really not care. I mean really dont give a fuck what others think, its no great problem you can still respect others right to be opposed to you or your political stances without any underlying hatred then.
Zen; no blame / no fight.

[Kirkland Laing]

Here's a root cause of terrorism, the collapse of The Ottoman Empire

If the Ottoman Empire still ruled the Middle East they'd be the ones being bombed by the radical nutters.

[El Kabong]

Here's a root cause of terrorism, the collapse of The Ottoman Empire

If the Ottoman Empire still ruled the Middle East they'd be the ones being bombed by the radical nutters.

Well that was a Sunni Islamic state so maybe yes, maybe no it depends on if the nutters respected the leader of that Empire.

[Kirkland Laing]

Here's a root cause of terrorism, the collapse of The Ottoman Empire

If the Ottoman Empire still ruled the Middle East they'd be the ones being bombed by the radical nutters.

Well that was a Sunni Islamic state so maybe yes, maybe no it depends on if the nutters respected the leader of that Empire.

If you read a bit about the history of the Ottoman empire you'll see they faced insurgencies in almost all the areas they occupied, particularly among the tribes in Mesopotamia (now Iraq and Sunni-region Syria) and what is now Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

[El Kabong]

Here's a root cause of terrorism, the collapse of The Ottoman Empire

If the Ottoman Empire still ruled the Middle East they'd be the ones being bombed by the radical nutters.

Well that was a Sunni Islamic state so maybe yes, maybe no it depends on if the nutters respected the leader of that Empire.

If you read a bit about the history of the Ottoman empire you'll see they faced insurgencies in almost all the areas they occupied, particularly among the tribes in Mesopotamia (now Iraq and Sunni-region Syria) and what is now Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

I've read about the Middle East as far back as their ancient civilizations they have always ALWAYS fought. The Ottomans would have troubles with the Shia I am sure as well.

[El Kabong]

Saudi Arabia’s New King Helped Fund Radical Terrorist Groups | Washington Free Beacon

The LEAST surprising headline of the day

[Beanflicker]

The answer to finding these terrorists might be easier than they think, after all Muslims believe there is a magic man in the sky and anyone who believes that is a bit daft regardless. We all know there is no Allah and Mohammed was not his final messenger, but they believe it so why not exploit it?

Just ask them if they are terrorists, and if they say no say "ok you swear on the honour of Allah that you are not a terrorist or have terrorist thoughts"? Swearing to god and the holy bible or whatever doesn't mean shit to most people because most people know that it's all bullshit and don't take it seriously, but I don't think a terrorist would be able to lie on the name of Allah. Say "if you're lying now you also agree that Allah is shite and Mohammad fucked animals", and there's no way they could lie even to protect their own necks, so when they come clean arrest them and it's one less terrorist on the streets.

[pacfan]

I've been seriously studying every aspect of terrorism and terrorists the last several years, from socialogical, cultural, psychological aspects. Terrorism is indeed a very complex issue and it's definitely not for amateurs and needs to scrutinized in a very fair and objective manner, in all its complexity and details. After all my years of, sometimes agonizing and sleepless nights, studying this very complex issue, I have come to a conclusion that the root of all terrorism, in whatever form or wherever they may be, is no other than... hold your breaths... is no other than Bob Arum himself! Yes, that infamous fellow who manipulates the world with his guile and deception, is the root cause of all terrorism... as well as the ducking of the greatest boxer in the world...

[Andre]

Saudi Arabia’s New King Helped Fund Radical Terrorist Groups | Washington Free Beacon

The LEAST surprising headline of the day

You do know a dislexic terrorist is going to bomb that Washington news paper believing it to be Washington free Bacon.Obviously its a dig at Muslims and their eating habits.

[Andre]

The answer to finding these terrorists might be easier than they think, after all Muslims believe there is a magic man in the sky and anyone who believes that is a bit daft regardless. We all know there is no Allah and Mohammed was not his final messenger, but they believe it so why not exploit it?

Just ask them if they are terrorists, and if they say no say "ok you swear on the honour of Allah that you are not a terrorist or have terrorist thoughts"? Swearing to god and the holy bible or whatever doesn't mean shit to most people because most people know that it's all bullshit and don't take it seriously, but I don't think a terrorist would be able to lie on the name of Allah. Say "if you're lying now you also agree that Allah is shite and Mohammad fucked animals", and there's no way they could lie even to protect their own necks, so when they come clean arrest them and it's one less terrorist on the streets.

But then we would have no excuse to kidnap suspects off the streets of Europe,bag them, fly them to Czechoslovakia in the early evening on government planes and ask them nicely in a country without our jurisdictions and laws; while we pretend to get the paper work organized for them to be brought to a USA military jail for real questioning.
Think of all the jobs we would lose.This is called a war machine, its not called a war lets go ask Allah .

[Fenster]

Everyone here is a "moderate" Muslim. Lets have a show of hands. Madness.

[Beanz]

Everyone here is a "moderate" Muslim. Lets have a show of hands. Madness.

I agree that to subscribe to a doctrine in which one man or a group of men remove the need to think for yourself is madness. It is the path of least resistance. This is the problem at the heart of Islam that I have never made any bones about expressing from day one. It is incompatible with the way we think in the west and very much like the views of Christian fundamentalists who seem to also believe that there is no longer any need to follow their own heart, brain, mind or common sense. When there is an accident or tragedy people often reveal remarkable selflessness, courage and kindness and this for me reveals the true nature of humanity, it is what sets us apart from the animals. I found this video on the youtube page of the one you posted. It is remarkable how much fundamentalists have in common, and yet how different these two young men are. While there are also problems with thinking only logically and ignoring our intuition, it is the young atheist lad here who is the balanced one. He is displaying proof that even without a spiritual belief and a reliance on logic, he is clearly in touch with his own heart, mind and common sense (intuition). The Muslim guy has even forgotten how to have a conversation. Dogma and narrow man imposed thinking, has led him to just repeat parrot fashion an argument that makes no relevant sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv071...22327029#t=221

How can any non brainwashed person believe that it is right, or in the interests of Justice or in the service of a beneficent or merciful God to stone someone to death ? Only those who do not listen to their own God given heart could believe such a thing.