Anti matter

[Beanz]

Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?

[Andre]

Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?

Not for me, I believe you can visit other dimensions in other states and leave your body .Hard to prove though cause people who only believe the mind has memory and not the heart and dna memory, would say its all in your head, a dream of sorts.

[Beanz]

Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?

Not for me, I believe you can visit other dimensions in other states and leave your body .Hard to prove though cause people who only believe the mind has memory and not the heart and dna memory, would say its all in your head, a dream of sorts.

Despite your astral wandering you have missed the point entirely. You have yourself already been deceived by your body into using the same comfortable pair of slippers. I am not disputing your beliefs, just trying to remind myself, and others, that what we take to be the physical world, as relayed to us through our senses is in fact our own personal recreation. I have had to sit through a few weeks of physiological lectures in everything from optometry to surgical assistance and a lot of what I had forgotten or had not been aware of , reminded me of a truth we all forget. Experience itself is transformative. Every nano second light, sound and other waves are transformed by our bodies into neuro-chemical reactions that turn the cogs in the big illusory funfair that is our brain. We have to be unaware of such things to function and even in a highly meditative state we are never aware of the real world as it is. How could we be ? if your supposition is true and this is a dream? The moment you exist outside of a dream you are not only awake, the dream itself ceases to exist.

I have never said that I believe only the mind has memory but you, ( like I have of you ), have already formed an opinion of what I would believe and how I think. This modelling is essential in order for us to have a relationship and carry on a conversation, but it is no more reality than the movie on a screen or the novel on a page. I have always believed that memory can be laid down in DNA and science is starting to confirm this. I hardly knew my Grandfather before he died, but my father tells me that he loved boxing, was also a filmaker/artist and photgrapher etc when not working at the newspaper and I remind him of his Dad. I never knew any of these things, but I do not think that trades and expertise, as well as the love of things is solely passed on in families because of just proximity and cultivation.

Even when you wander among dimensions and states you have to return and use your tongue or typing fingers to relay that experience to me and others and as is customary you will use human terminology and references to describe them. That is not to dismiss you reports because if God/Dark matter/Spirit/Energy is truly in everything then their is no need to look anywhere else to find it. If we are it's expression then time and existence outside of



NOW


is illusory and irrelevant. If we all sat down in front of the sea and painted the same picture, life would be shit and meaningless. It's what makes following man made religions ( and by that I mean ALL ) so ridiculous and blasphemous.

[SlimTrae]

Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?

Interesting. I am somewhat familiar with western/Greek scientific basis, NOT a lot, just a tadbit.
Question then: Does that include electricity? Energy? Is it an illusion?
When I looked up the word illusion: it is given as an adjective, but when I look up electricity-it is called a noun.

I ask because that which we perceive- is done as you would say through our brain-which fires off electricity. Is the current that produces our ability to perceive an illusion as well per Greek science? No wrong or right, I'm just digging the conversation!

[Beanz]

Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?

Interesting. I am somewhat familiar with western/Greek scientific basis, NOT a lot, just a tadbit.
Question then: Does that include electricity? Energy? Is it an illusion?
When I looked up the word illusion: it is given as an adjective, but when I look up electricity-it is called a noun.

I ask because that which we perceive- is done as you would say through our brain-which fires off electricity. Is the current that produces our ability to perceive an illusion as well per Greek science? No wrong or right, I'm just digging the conversation!

I should make it clear that I do not consider everything from a logical/Greek/Scientific basis, and most people don't, not even those who are dismissed as materialists. Our nature will not allow it. Electricity is just a word used to describe a phenomenon. From synapses firing to sheet lightning, lighting up the sky. It can convey an idea of the experience but it is not the experience. My point was that even before you get to constant flux on an atomic level, we are all constantly changing and not really here at all. Even if you look at it from the point of view of a physicist.

That current, that energy is both here all the time and not here at all. Polarity is a biological fact not just a Taoist principle ( I have a huge Yin/yang in my front garden made out of stone chippings and in the glass on my front door) or an electro- chemical process.

Sight in all it's complexity is built on the simple principle of ON/OFF.
So are sensors in cameras.
So are light bulbs.
So are genes.
So are Jeans

Sunny / shady, Empty/full, Female/male these are all expressions at either end of the same arc. An endless cycle, one radiating out toward the other. Life/death. Matter/ Ant-Matter. They all move in both directions.

[Andre]

Beanz I dont judge,I just like to use a number of perspectives. I try not to think anyway about anyone,I dont tend to group people into sections in my head either,unless they have some formed club then its all too obvious they need their grouping to gain some added power or advantage. I try to just observe them and judge nothing personally on them.

What I cant get a hold of regarding thesis,religion,politics,and even likes and dislikes etc is that other people generally really do care what others believe or don't. I think that in itself must be such a jail,as the reverse; to not care even a percent is a real freedom.

Like you say,humans share a perspective for sure and we do see and hear each other as others do and we agree on shades and damage, disease,all sorts of things. Many choose to face only one way and wont even turn to glimpse anything behind them and others look to history and ignore whats in front of them aside from all the other ten thousands things we ca decide to live or die for in between.From a human material perspective we end, so time appears lineal. I could even be my own relative once past and carry forward my karmic debt in physicality and deed who knows we can go within and we can search outside as well. One thing is for certain energy cant be destroyed and it cycles rising and falling,also as above so below turned out to be true ,the planets are similar to our electron make up ad each cycle has effects on the furthest portion.

[Beanz]

Beanz I dont judge,I just like to use a number of perspectives. I try not to think anyway about anyone,I dont tend to group people into sections in my head either,unless they have some formed club then its all too obvious they need their grouping to gain some added power or advantage. I try to just observe them and judge nothing personally on them.

What I cant get a hold of regarding thesis,religion,politics,and even likes and dislikes etc is that other people generally really do care what others believe or don't. I think that in itself must be such a jail,as the reverse; to not care even a percent is a real freedom.

Like you say,humans share a perspective for sure and we do see and hear each other as others do and we agree on shades and damage, disease,all sorts of things. Many choose to face only one way and wont even turn to glimpse anything behind them and others look to history and ignore whats in front of them aside from all the other ten thousands things we ca decide to live or die for in between.From a human material perspective we end, so time appears lineal. I could even be my own relative once past and carry forward my karmic debt in physicality and deed who knows we can go within and we can search outside as well. One thing is for certain energy cant be destroyed and it cycles rising and falling,also as above so below turned out to be true ,the planets are similar to our electron make up ad each cycle has effects on the furthest portion.

I know you don't judge Andre. That is not what I meant and I apologise if that is what you thought I was inferring. What I meant is the human condition is one we both share, and that commonality is as diverse as it is alike. Assumptions are not necessarily concious or judgemental either, they are just a way of building bridges that can sometimes inadvertently be seen as walls. You are correct of course energy can not be destroyed it has nowhere to go.

[Beanz]

Take this for example. Mechanical gears in insects. Not only was it there all along, we had to become technologically advanced enough to be able to see it. It's great to see also how multi-generational and cross disciplinary the project became too.





So even what we think is an opposite but heavily unbalanced set of dualities with technology on one side and the natural world on the other is at the end of the day all about perspective. Tools are everywhere. So much so that we ignore them and think only of physical man made objects. I believe that language is a tool but this until recently was disputed by most linguists not because the evidence was not there but because they had become fixated on something else. My Mrs after her stroke used to have to have her plate turned around, or else she would only eat one half. Neurologists and physios used to think that this was because left lobe damage meant that she could not see anything on her right. This was commonly believed until recently of most people with aquired brain injuries. The reality though is not that she could not see the left hand side of the plate but that she had become fixated on the right. Thanks to the brains remarkable plasticity she no longer has this problem and it has adapted, but it is a useful illustration. We all become fixated on ideas and models, and so new, or more accurately, newly discovered ideas, take a long time to adapt to.

Anti-Matter is such an idea.

There are cults who predicted the world would end on a certain date. Psychologists and anthropologists had the idea of studying them before this end date. What they found was even though the world did not end on that date they did not give up believing in the cult. In fact it strengthened their belief because they thought their faith had prevented the aliens/God/Devil, whatever, ending the world

Anything but change. As though fear can stop it.

We are all changing.

Always.