Quote Originally Posted by Andre View Post
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Ignore any spiritual dimension or dark matter, black holes and other dimensions for just one moment. Even if you consider everything from a logical and western/Greek scientific basis, we have to admit that everything we perceive and take for granted as being real is actually an illusion. There is no such thing as colour, and what we think of as seeing, is actually our brains reconstruction of what it perceives as reality not reality itself. What I see and what you see are not exactly the same, even if we assume so. We cannot help but be influenced by our experiences and our physical apparatus, and the fact that we can only see things from one point of view, however multifaceted that object or argument/stance may be. So not being able to comprehend dark or anti-matter, is hardly surprising. Surely we can all only live one life, in one dimension, at a time?
Not for me, I believe you can visit other dimensions in other states and leave your body .Hard to prove though cause people who only believe the mind has memory and not the heart and dna memory, would say its all in your head, a dream of sorts.
Despite your astral wandering you have missed the point entirely. You have yourself already been deceived by your body into using the same comfortable pair of slippers. I am not disputing your beliefs, just trying to remind myself, and others, that what we take to be the physical world, as relayed to us through our senses is in fact our own personal recreation. I have had to sit through a few weeks of physiological lectures in everything from optometry to surgical assistance and a lot of what I had forgotten or had not been aware of , reminded me of a truth we all forget. Experience itself is transformative. Every nano second light, sound and other waves are transformed by our bodies into neuro-chemical reactions that turn the cogs in the big illusory funfair that is our brain. We have to be unaware of such things to function and even in a highly meditative state we are never aware of the real world as it is. How could we be ? if your supposition is true and this is a dream? The moment you exist outside of a dream you are not only awake, the dream itself ceases to exist.

I have never said that I believe only the mind has memory but you, ( like I have of you ), have already formed an opinion of what I would believe and how I think. This modelling is essential in order for us to have a relationship and carry on a conversation, but it is no more reality than the movie on a screen or the novel on a page. I have always believed that memory can be laid down in DNA and science is starting to confirm this. I hardly knew my Grandfather before he died, but my father tells me that he loved boxing, was also a filmaker/artist and photgrapher etc when not working at the newspaper and I remind him of his Dad. I never knew any of these things, but I do not think that trades and expertise, as well as the love of things is solely passed on in families because of just proximity and cultivation.

Even when you wander among dimensions and states you have to return and use your tongue or typing fingers to relay that experience to me and others and as is customary you will use human terminology and references to describe them. That is not to dismiss you reports because if God/Dark matter/Spirit/Energy is truly in everything then their is no need to look anywhere else to find it. If we are it's expression then time and existence outside of



NOW



is illusory and irrelevant. If we all sat down in front of the sea and painted the same picture, life would be shit and meaningless. It's what makes following man made religions ( and by that I mean ALL ) so ridiculous and blasphemous.