Andre ward vs GGG

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with GGG fighting all the gatekeepers in the world. I'm saying there is something seriously f'd about what you all are saying.

It has gone from GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and he needs to build his name to GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and Ward needs to build his name. You people can't see the comedy in that? Please tell me you see the glaring problem?!

Clean out clean out clean out, they aren't going to fight him! Let me repeat, they aren't going to fight him. One more time so people get it, they aren't going to fight him! So then there is the "what can he do if they won't fight him?" It's obvious, he can fight the fighters that are willing. Ward is willing. And anyone that believes the 31 year Ward is washed up is a moron.

I'm not saying GGG has to move up, although he said he would for Chavez so it's a bit of a bitch move to not be willing for Ward. And I'm not saying GGG has to fight him next. But he damn well should be looking in his direction. Because only looking at no hopers is weak.

I would be a fan of GGG if he would only start fighting guys on his level. He is 33 years before his next fight and he hasn't fought one champion for crying out loud. Not one! And you all don't want him to fight the guy on his level or a champion. Get the belts get the belts get belts, the belts are meaningless.

[imp]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with GGG fighting all the gatekeepers in the world. I'm saying there is something seriously f'd about what you all are saying.

It has gone from GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and he needs to build his name to GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and Ward needs to build his name. You people can't see the comedy in that? Please tell me you see the glaring problem?!

Clean out clean out clean out, they aren't going to fight him! Let me repeat, they aren't going to fight him. One more time so people get it, they aren't going to fight him! So then there is the "what can he do if they won't fight him?" It's obvious, he can fight the fighters that are willing. Ward is willing. And anyone that believes the 31 year Ward is washed up is a moron.

I'm not saying GGG has to move up, although he said he would for Chavez so it's a bit of a bitch move to not be willing for Ward. And I'm not saying GGG has to fight him next. But he damn well should be looking in his direction. Because only looking at no hopers is weak.

I would be a fan of GGG if he would only start fighting guys on his level. He is 33 years before his next fight and he hasn't fought one champion for crying out loud. Not one! And you all don't want him to fight the guy on his level or a champion. Get the belts get the belts get belts, the belts are meaningless.

I said that in another thread that every bloody fighter wants to fight Chavez jr!!!

So GGG can call out a fat weed smoker like Chavez jr and move up in weight but for ward he's just not ready yet...

I love carl froch but even he honestly said he would loose to ward again!

Froch knows how good ward is and when a warrior like froch wont attempt to avenge his only other loss then people need to pay attention.

[walrus]

Ward might actually beat ggg by hugging him the whole fight.

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http://youtu.be/bPws2hPKGbE

[Ron Swanson]

About to be 33, never once fought a champion. But he fights often so nobody cares (smh)

[iwng100]

I'm probably one of the very few fans who desperately wants to see GGG vs Ward, but I want a fair fight in even conditions:
1. - weight-class - 160 Lb
2. - meeting place - Karaganda, Kazakhstan
3. - all three judges and the referee from Kazakhstan as well.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

[IamInuit]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

You know you're my boy but in this case you need to work on your reading comprehension. I have no problem with GGG beating on a division that is beneath him. I've said that. If he wants to be a guy who we wonder what he could have done that's fine.

My problem is with fans making 1000 excuses.
"He's got to clean out 160" well then what about all the 154lb fighters he's fought?
"he shouldn't have to move up"they've said on numerous occasions including just yesterday that they are willing to move up for bad fighters, why not good fighters?

I have no problem with GGG, you can find me on the other site saying "he is the best Middleweight in the world" before he even had a belt. My problem is that there always seems to be an excuse not to fight the best. Whether it is they are not willing to fight him or he is not willing to fight them and both are accepted!

GGG is too good to let his career go by and being only a "champion", he should be a "great" and to do that he has to fight great fighters.

[Primo Carnera]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

[Ron Swanson]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

[Master]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

Breaking B Hops record would be a good achievement.

[Ron Swanson]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

Breaking B Hops record would be a good achievement.

People seem to lose sight of why such records happen. BHop used his reign to earn his status. He couldn't just pick big fights. His reign got him Trinidad and it got him DLH and then Bhop had the status to make big fights wherever. BHop lasted longer than he should have or he would have missed many of his big fights hanging out at 160. Think of BHops big fights
Roy
Tito
DLH
JT
JT

That's 18 years at Middleweight

Now let's look at the big fights in 9 years no longer tied to a division.

Tarver
Wright
Joe C
Pavlik
Roy
Pascal
Pascal
Dawson
Dawson
Cloud
Kovalev

It seems he took 18 years to get a record. But once the record didn't matter is when the important fights happened. Call me crazy but I always thought boxing was about the fights.

GGG has made his position. He can get fights. It's time to make the fights. Everyone said the same thing last year "clean out 160" but nothing has changed. Are we going to do this again next year, and the year after? Someone please tell me when we get the big fights because I've been waiting for 5 years now

[Dark Lord Al]

If you were GGG would you keep milking it at middleweight or step up and catch ward at the worst time of his career?

Some people make me laugh , do we regard Marvin Hagler's title reign as him milking the MW division ?
GGG is a MW if he wants to fight at that weight then so be it , he is a wonderful exciting fighter. As for Ward , he is inactive , he is boring , and personally I could care less if he never fights again.
Canelo would be a good fight for GGG , after Cotto. As for Martin Murray he could beat both Abrahams and Smith on the same night at SMW.