Andre ward vs GGG

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http://youtu.be/bPws2hPKGbE

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Ward has only fought Good fighters because of the super six. He is not entitled to anything. It seems like some people are suggesting that Ward is the only way Golvkin can gain any credibility. That is utter nonsense and can only be justified if you dismiss Murray as a nobody. After his fights against Sturm, Martinez and now GGG if you are dismissing Murray, you have a completely different Idea than most of what a good fighter looks like.

Wonder what fighters would make up the middleweight super six if there was one?

In the super middleweight super six no one knew who would win but if there was a middleweight version its pretty obvious.

[TitoFan]

The title of the thread is Andre Ward vs GGG, and frankly, I'm a much bigger fan of GGG at this point. The difference in activity level is huge, regardless of the reasons, and it's difficult for me to be a fan of a fighter with the crass inactivity of Ward. If GGG were to move up and face Ward, who's to know. Ward is a tremendously skilled boxer, and the naturally bigger man. He's got some good notches on his belt, but I still find him extremely boring to watch. I much prefer GGG's style. Do I think GGG needs Ward? No. He just needs to continue fighting all comers at 160 and do what he does best. Why move up and challenge a Ward who IMO has lost a lot of his luster by being so inactive?

[nuggetdotcom]

The title of the thread is Andre Ward vs GGG, and frankly, I'm a much bigger fan of GGG at this point. The difference in activity level is huge, regardless of the reasons, and it's difficult for me to be a fan of a fighter with the crass inactivity of Ward. If GGG were to move up and face Ward, who's to know. Ward is a tremendously skilled boxer, and the naturally bigger man. He's got some good notches on his belt, but I still find him extremely boring to watch. I much prefer GGG's style. Do I think GGG needs Ward? No. He just needs to continue fighting all comers at 160 and do what he does best. Why move up and challenge a Ward who IMO has lost a lot of his luster by being so inactive?

GGG is part of the future, I'm not sure I've seen such quick and powerful hands.

[Ron Swanson]

About to be 33, never once fought a champion. But he fights often so nobody cares (smh)

[iwng100]

I'm probably one of the very few fans who desperately wants to see GGG vs Ward, but I want a fair fight in even conditions:
1. - weight-class - 160 Lb
2. - meeting place - Karaganda, Kazakhstan
3. - all three judges and the referee from Kazakhstan as well.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

[IamInuit]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

[Primo Carnera]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

You know you're my boy but in this case you need to work on your reading comprehension. I have no problem with GGG beating on a division that is beneath him. I've said that. If he wants to be a guy who we wonder what he could have done that's fine.

My problem is with fans making 1000 excuses.
"He's got to clean out 160" well then what about all the 154lb fighters he's fought?
"he shouldn't have to move up"they've said on numerous occasions including just yesterday that they are willing to move up for bad fighters, why not good fighters?

I have no problem with GGG, you can find me on the other site saying "he is the best Middleweight in the world" before he even had a belt. My problem is that there always seems to be an excuse not to fight the best. Whether it is they are not willing to fight him or he is not willing to fight them and both are accepted!

GGG is too good to let his career go by and being only a "champion", he should be a "great" and to do that he has to fight great fighters.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

[Ron Swanson]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

[Master]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

Breaking B Hops record would be a good achievement.

[Ron Swanson]

On another thread someone suggested GGG just hangs out picking off mandatories for 3 years until Andrade moves up.

To me that is sad and a waste of talent. Greatness is so rare, push it.

Breaking B Hops record would be a good achievement.

People seem to lose sight of why such records happen. BHop used his reign to earn his status. He couldn't just pick big fights. His reign got him Trinidad and it got him DLH and then Bhop had the status to make big fights wherever. BHop lasted longer than he should have or he would have missed many of his big fights hanging out at 160. Think of BHops big fights
Roy
Tito
DLH
JT
JT

That's 18 years at Middleweight

Now let's look at the big fights in 9 years no longer tied to a division.

Tarver
Wright
Joe C
Pavlik
Roy
Pascal
Pascal
Dawson
Dawson
Cloud
Kovalev

It seems he took 18 years to get a record. But once the record didn't matter is when the important fights happened. Call me crazy but I always thought boxing was about the fights.

GGG has made his position. He can get fights. It's time to make the fights. Everyone said the same thing last year "clean out 160" but nothing has changed. Are we going to do this again next year, and the year after? Someone please tell me when we get the big fights because I've been waiting for 5 years now

[Primo Carnera]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

Talk about putting words into people's Mouths, I never mentioned Ward not being sellable to try to win a debate. What I will say is that until he fights again , he's irrelevant . and I'm not sure what the point of "having a look at Ward" is.
You say he was bigger than Murray at the 30 day weight, I'd be interested to see something to back that up, but at the 7 day stage , he was only 3lbs over the limit, and you only have to look at them in the ring and even in the press conferences to see the size difference.
Also, he was fighting heavier in the amateurs - Big deal! apparently , when he was 14 , his brothers used to make him fight men in the street. What difference does that make? it ain't street fighting and he ain't an amateur. He may have been heavier in the amateurs , but he wasn't Taller or had a longer reach!
at the end of the day , GGG is 32 and wants to stay busy and who can blame him, it's a short career. So again, why should he wait till never never for Ward to decide what he doing. I Like Ward, I think he's a fantastic fighter, but he has fucked his career up big time. Surely that is a bigger waste of talent than what GGG is doing?
if all the MW's continue to duck him, he may have to go to another division, but if I were him, I would be looking down rather than up.