General Election 2015

[SlimTrae]

That map right there is all that is wrong with the UK. Despite the nasty party imposing all these cuts which didn't need to happen as the money could easily have come from tax evaders, large swathes of that country are still blue. What is it with the English and their Tories? It's more than politics that is rotten, it has infested the populace.

I would love a Green party Syriza style breakthrough, but the FPTP system means change won't happen. So you are stuck with a Lib/Lab/Con vote and each of which would be a crime against humanity (illegal wars, bank worship, child abuse coverups etc). Just horrible.

Never has a system looked so broken and corrupt.

So who is this nasty party? :
America doesn't have a labor party, so I'm not familiar with them either. How does the Green party differ/compare to the others?
Are conservatives over there like the ones in America? (Bush-Reagan)
Is there a party that feels itself to be morally above the rest?
And last is the liberal party over there similar to America's liberals who are okay with television shows that allow guys kissing guys. Funding programs that sound good, but don't really do much but make more dependency.
They're okay with girls on girls....well that in particular is okay Liberals here really allow the conservatives to slap the label of godless across the board.

[Gandalf]

That map right there is all that is wrong with the UK. Despite the nasty party imposing all these cuts which didn't need to happen as the money could easily have come from tax evaders, large swathes of that country are still blue. What is it with the English and their Tories? It's more than politics that is rotten, it has infested the populace.

I would love a Green party Syriza style breakthrough, but the FPTP system means change won't happen. So you are stuck with a Lib/Lab/Con vote and each of which would be a crime against humanity (illegal wars, bank worship, child abuse coverups etc). Just horrible.

Never has a system looked so broken and corrupt.

So who is this nasty party? :
America doesn't have a labor party, so I'm not familiar with them either. How does the Green party differ/compare to the others?
Are conservatives over there like the ones in America? (Bush-Reagan)
Is there a party that feels itself to be morally above the rest?
And last is the liberal party over there similar to America's liberals who are okay with television shows that allow guys kissing guys. Funding programs that sound good, but don't really do much but make more dependency.
They're okay with girls on girls....well that in particular is okay Liberals here really allow the conservatives to slap the label of godless across the board.

The Conservatives are historically cruel and are about punishing poor people, maybe something akin to the Republicans. Labour was formerly a working class party, but became a war mongering Conservative clone. 'We hurt poor people less than the Conservatives' is their battle cry. Inspiring stuff. I guess they are a bit like the Democrats. Obama was clearly inspired by Tony Blair. The Liberal Democrats are a party that has no definable philosophy beyond saying one thing and doing quite the opposite. UKIP is a party that talked a good libertarian fight, but turned out to be a racist, servant of the banks. Then there are the Greens who seem like a decent lot, but will be unable to make a breakthrough because of the antiquated and unfair British voting system.

[Otley]

UKIP.....cause I CAN


Job Biscuit (Sniffing a pot (p)noodle)!!!


eh eh!!!

[Mark TKO]

Vote Boris (in 5 years time)

[Kirkland Laing]

That map right there is all that is wrong with the UK. Despite the nasty party imposing all these cuts which didn't need to happen as the money could easily have come from tax evaders, large swathes of that country are still blue. What is it with the English and their Tories? It's more than politics that is rotten, it has infested the populace.

I would love a Green party Syriza style breakthrough, but the FPTP system means change won't happen. So you are stuck with a Lib/Lab/Con vote and each of which would be a crime against humanity (illegal wars, bank worship, child abuse coverups etc). Just horrible.

Never has a system looked so broken and corrupt.

So who is this nasty party? :
America doesn't have a labor party, so I'm not familiar with them either. How does the Green party differ/compare to the others?
Are conservatives over there like the ones in America? (Bush-Reagan)
Is there a party that feels itself to be morally above the rest?
And last is the liberal party over there similar to America's liberals who are okay with television shows that allow guys kissing guys. Funding programs that sound good, but don't really do much but make more dependency.
They're okay with girls on girls....well that in particular is okay Liberals here really allow the conservatives to slap the label of godless across the board.

The entire British political spectrum would fit comfortably in the Democratic party in America, except for one or two policies by a right wing party that gets about 10% of the vote. Even our right wing parties support a fully socialised healthcare system and an expansive welfare state. They all believe in climate change and evolution too. American politics really is on another planet.

[El Kabong]

They all believe in climate change and evolution too.

Well Kirkland, do you believe in phyletic gradualism or punctuated equilibrium?

As for climate change, many believe the climate is ALWAYS in flux....they just don't all buy into the nonsensical belief that MAN is indeed the cause of it.

[Master]

USA are very right wing but it comes from their history that freedom of the individual is the ultimate expression of democracy and any state intervention is bad. Whereas we see the state as a support mechanism for the most needy and vulnerable.

[walrus]

Can I ask you Brits something. I'm reading a book on the American Revolution dealing much with the British perspective. In the book they mention how disappointed the British prime minister at the time was. I'm wondering how much power the prime minister had at the time of the revolution. I thought all negotiations at the time were done with the king. Thanks for any info. Did the prime minister position arrive at the signing of the Magna Charter

[Master]

Basically, and this is very basic because I did not do British history at school instead they made me do agricultural farming which was boring as phuck, there was a civil war between royalist and the roundheads. The roundheads in 1649 won. They were parliamentarians who did not want Kings rule. Parliament was supreme and the King/queen just signed acts and were insignificant.

[pacfan]

Can I ask you Brits something. I'm reading a book on the American Revolution dealing much with the British perspective. In the book they mention how disappointed the British prime minister at the time was. I'm wondering how much power the prime minister had at the time of the revolution. I thought all negotiations at the time were done with the king. Thanks for any info. Did the prime minister position arrive at the signing of the Magna Charter

Come to think of it, I never thought about the British point of view on the issue. I've been taught in school how their British motherland would tax the their new world sons without giving them representation, that led to a big tea party in Boston, etc., etc. but never heard about anything regarding the British point of view. So I also want to know if the British folks considered them as their cute little brothers, just like how I consider cutierocco, or did they consider them as their miss-guided and ill-mannered lost sons who speak in severely mangled queen's language?
I've had this experience myself. In school, I was taught in world history class the Magellan was killed by a nameless local tribesman in the Philippines. But when I came here, I was surprised to know that that nameless indian fella actually had a name and was a local hero, with his statues displayed in some prominent public places. Talking about points of view...

[El Kabong]

USA are very right wing but it comes from their history that freedom of the individual is the ultimate expression of democracy and any state intervention is bad. Whereas we see the state as a support mechanism for the most needy and vulnerable.

We're not a democracy, democracies are just mob rule, we're a Constitutional (that's why that piece of paper is still important as ever) REPUBLIC. The Constitution and God protect those not in power as those citizens not in power are endowed with inalienable rights from their creator ie things the government can't give out and therefore can't take away.

[Kirkland Laing]

USA are very right wing but it comes from their history that freedom of the individual is the ultimate expression of democracy and any state intervention is bad. Whereas we see the state as a support mechanism for the most needy and vulnerable.

We're not a democracy, democracies are just mob rule, we're a Constitutional (that's why that piece of paper is still important as ever) REPUBLIC. The Constitution and God protect those not in power as those citizens not in power are endowed with inalienable rights from their creator ie things the government can't give out and therefore can't take away.

Apart from black people who only count as 3/5ths of a white person according to the US constitution.

[Master]

Green leader Bennett sorry for 'excruciating' interview

Green Party leader Natalie Bennett has apologised to party members for what she said was a "very bad" radio interview about its housing policy.

Ms Bennett said she had suffered a "mind blank" during the "excruciating" exchange, where she tried to explain how the party would fund a pledge of 500,000 new social rental homes.

She was speaking as the Greens launched their election campaign.

Other policies include a "citizen's income" of £72

a week for all adults.

During an interview on LBC, Ms Bennett seemed to struggle to explain the funding model for the new homes, saying she had a "huge cold".

Later, speaking on the BBC's Daily Politics, she said a fully costed manifesto would be published in March.

"I had a very bad interview on housing this morning," she said.

"I am very happy to confess that and I am very sorry to the Green Party members who I did not do a very good job representing our policies on.

"That happens, I am human."

The policy would cost £27bn, she said (although she had earlier mistakenly said £2.7bn in the LBC interview) which would be partly funded by removing tax relief on mortgage interest for private landlords.

BBC News - Election 2015: Green leader Bennett sorry for 'excruciating' interview

[El Kabong]

Apart from black people who only count as 3/5ths of a white person according to the US constitution.

Which article and clause would I find that in if you would be so kind?


Also you didn't answer my question: phyletic gradualism or punctuated equilibrium? Thanks

[pacfan]

USA are very right wing but it comes from their history that freedom of the individual is the ultimate expression of democracy and any state intervention is bad. Whereas we see the state as a support mechanism for the most needy and vulnerable.

I'm glad you brought this up. This is what I've been trying to say here but first of all lest you misunderstand let me tell you I'm not anti-American, I myself is a product of good ol' American education - I went to American school from kindergarden to high school. I was just trying to explain to the world and the Americans about the general difference in their political system and beliefs. Yes, American is by world standard rightist or right wing nation and aside from the ones Master mentioned, they also almost single-handedly fought communists around the world. This is one reason why a simple health care policy which almost all developed nations have and consider as just a normal requirement for a just society has been struggling to get approved in the US over the decades - it was a victim of red scare. What the people from other part of the world probably didn't know is that the socialist folks and parties, or the lefties, that have been in your political systems for decades will be considered reds to the Americans, which is a no-no for them. And conversely, for the Americans, there are political parties and politicians you consider as reds or commies actively involved and even thriving in most other parts of the world, and they are not considered there as outcasts or anything like that, and are even respected in some countries. Greece is a good example today - they just won the election and are putting to test the EU with their hard-line approach to their economic crisis.

So why the heck have I been trying to say this the last several months? Well I've been watching Americans discussing socio-economic issues with somewhat leftish fellows here for years debating on more or less the same issues over and over again without getting anything resolved. Obviously, they don't understand one another and I've been just watching here shaking my head and smiling like a fool. I just wanted to clarify the basic difference in their political system and beliefs so they will have some ideas where each one of them are coming from. I hope it helped...