For those who think that Mayweather is not afraid of Pacman.

[Beanflicker]

People can make any wild claims and come to as many wild conclusions as they want, but I don't know why you'd bother when the facts are out there.

FACT 1: The fight fell through because Manny would not agree on a 14 day cut off for a drug test. That's not my opinion, that's not a wild conclusion, that's a fact.

FACT 2: Bob Arum himself has admitted that they were wrong to not accept that term because, in his words, they were "ignorant about the drug testing stuff" (that's an ACTUAL quote, not a Bill Paxton quote ).

There facts are easily verified by a quick Google search by anyone who's interested in knowing the truth.

So I'll put the question to anyone who thinks Floyd was the problem: let's say me and you were trying to make a deal, and I wanted a stipulation in that deal that you wouldn't agree to and so the deal never got made. Years down the road, we meet up and you say "you know what? I should have agreed to that stipulation, I didn't because I was ignorant and didn't know enough about it, if the deal was on the table today I would agree to it." Who would you blame, in hindsight, for the deal originally not going through?

[AdamGB]

Body language says otherwise

[erics44]

People can make any wild claims and come to as many wild conclusions as they want, but I don't know why you'd bother when the facts are out there.

FACT 1: The fight fell through because Manny would not agree on a 14 day cut off for a drug test. That's not my opinion, that's not a wild conclusion, that's a fact.

FACT 2: Bob Arum himself has admitted that they were wrong to not accept that term because, in his words, they were "ignorant about the drug testing stuff" (that's an ACTUAL quote, not a Bill Paxton quote ).

There facts are easily verified by a quick Google search by anyone who's interested in knowing the truth.

So I'll put the question to anyone who thinks Floyd was the problem: let's say me and you were trying to make a deal, and I wanted a stipulation in that deal that you wouldn't agree to and so the deal never got made. Years down the road, we meet up and you say "you know what? I should have agreed to that stipulation, I didn't because I was ignorant and didn't know enough about it, if the deal was on the table today I would agree to it." Who would you blame, in hindsight, for the deal originally not going through?

with fact one you could just as easily say that the fight fell through because floyd started going on about additional drug tests that boxers dont normally go through

with fact 2 a lot of people said a lot of stuff and to pick out one sentence said without considering everything else that was said doesnt make it the be all and end all of everything that was said

and just to summarise FACT1 is an opinion and FACT2 is extremely insignificant in the bigger picture

[Beanflicker]

Manny put out the stipulation that Floyd would owe him millions of dollars for every pound he might come in over the limit... do all boxers go through that, too?

It's not like Floyd was asking him to do anything he wasn't going to do. If you're not using steroids, then why would you care?

[erics44]

Manny put out the stipulation that Floyd would owe him millions of dollars for every pound he might come in over the limit... do all boxers go through that, too?

It's not like Floyd was asking him to do anything he wasn't going to do. If you're not using steroids, then why would you care?

just the fact that you are trying to argue that it is a fact by using other opinions makes it not clear that it is a fact at all

in fact it more confirms that it isnt a fact and just the opinion of a bias floyd fan

[Beanflicker]

I'm not arguing that it's a fact, it is a fact.

Job Biscuit,
eh eh

[erics44]

1 nil eric

[Beanflicker]

You got annihilated, sir. Just like a British fighter when he goes up against a good foreign one