Manny WILL get stopped and I guarantee this

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Had he fought Paquaio, Margarito, Williams Etc he may well have beaten them all. In that case I would be rating him up there with Ali, Robinson etc too.

So what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??

Gummon bro

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Had he fought Paquaio, Margarito, Williams Etc he may well have beaten them all. In that case I would be rating him up there with Ali, Robinson etc too.

So what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??

Gummon bro

Frietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.

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Had he fought Paquaio, Margarito, Williams Etc he may well have beaten them all. In that case I would be rating him up there with Ali, Robinson etc too.

So what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??

Gummon bro

Frietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.

When was he supposed to fight those guys?

He called out Frietas and Casamayor... they were on different networks.

COTTO turned down a fight at 140 because his camp felt he wasn't ready.

KOSTYA would have been nice but obviously Hatton destroyed him first.

And are we really going to go down this road again where Hatton would have been better if he had to weigh in at 140 instead of 147? The fat guy, the guy who balloons up on beer and fish n chips between fights, the naturally bigger guy, would have benefitted more from having to cut 7 more pounds of weight... it's such retarded logic you can't even argue against it.

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Had he fought Paquaio, Margarito, Williams Etc he may well have beaten them all. In that case I would be rating him up there with Ali, Robinson etc too.

So what's standing in Floyd's way of being a true great is the fact that he never fought Margarito and Paul Williams??

Gummon bro

Frietas, Casamajor, Hatton and Cotto at 140lb and Kostya.

When was he supposed to fight those guys?

He called out Frietas and Casamayor... they were on different networks.

COTTO turned down a fight at 140 because his camp felt he wasn't ready.

KOSTYA would have been nice but obviously Hatton destroyed him first.

And are we really going to go down this road again where Hatton would have been better if he had to weigh in at 140 instead of 147? The fat guy, the guy who balloons up on beer and fish n chips between fights, the naturally bigger guy, would have benefitted more from having to cut 7 more pounds of weight... it's such retarded logic you can't even argue against it.

Floyd was having diva moments when he could have faced Frieatas and Casamajor, no excuses.

Obviously chasing Kostya before he lost to Hatton and not Gatti.

You know Hatton was not the same force at 147lb, look how he struggled at the weight. He was a real champion at 140lb. Floyd knew that.

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You know Hatton was not the same force at 147lb, look how he struggled at the weight. He was a real champion at 140lb. Floyd knew that.

Gummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro

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You know Hatton was not the same force at 147lb, look how he struggled at the weight. He was a real champion at 140lb. Floyd knew that.

Gummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro

Hatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.

Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.

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You know Hatton was not the same force at 147lb, look how he struggled at the weight. He was a real champion at 140lb. Floyd knew that.

Gummon bro, is this master or Iaminuit I'm talking to here? Gummon bro

Hatton fought Collazo at 147 two fights before taking on Mayweather. Knowing Fatton's beer burgers and blow diet you can hardly blame those extra 7lbs for his poor conditioning so quit the weak excuses.

Whats funny is that Hatton weighed in at 147 for his fight against Floyd, Floyd himself chose to come in light, weighing 145 the day before.

Therefore he could have made 140lb and did not because Hatton was poor at welterweight.

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There's this insane logic that I've seen a few people use on this forums, Iaminut is the blaring example, where a guy's abilities is defined by what arbitrary weight he is contracted to weigh in at.

There's two ways weight can affect a fighter. 1) The fighter has to cut too much weight and becomes "weight drained", weakened to the point that it negatively impacts his performance and 2) the fighter is fighting at a weight class that is far beyond his natural class and is fighting guys much bigger than he is used to. We've seen it before: a guy is a big puncher at (let's say for example) 135, he moves to 147 and suddenly he is fighting much bigger guys who can withstand much more force, and all of a sudden he's not a big puncher any more, he can't keep the big guys off him, and he gets drained by fighting a much bigger man. That's it. That's the only two ways weight has anything to do with the outcome of a fight. Neither of those affected Hatton: he wasn't forced to weaken himself by cutting excessive weight and he wasn't forced to fight a guy that was a weight class bigger than him.

But certain people here seem to believe in magic numbers, that the arbitrary weight itself defines a fighters' ability. What can you say to it? It's just moronic. Gummon bro

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Do you guys realize that there are a lot of greats who didn't beat every champion and tough contender within 3 or 4 weight classes of them? Can you imagine all the tough guys that guys like Ray Robinson and other fighters back in the day didn't fight? Read Jake Lamotta's book, he goes into great detail about the huge amount of young BLACK fighters who never got their shots against anyone because they weren't connected and were black. Guys who, in Lamotta's words, would have chased a lot of the champs and top contenders of the day out of the ring. There's no champion in the history of boxing who fought every challenge they possibly could.

But when you talk about the important fights, the big money fights that captivated the general public, didn't Floyd fight them all? DLH, Hatton, Alvarez, and now Pac... are guys like Margarito or Paul Williams going to be remembered in the annals of boxing history like those guys? Gummon bro

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Stop defending him Leonard Ellerbe you know I am right.

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Stop defending him Leonard Ellerbe you know I am right.

I'm not going to pretend I know everything that went on behind the scenes, but what I do know is Floyd called both guys out publicly (name me one guy in the history of boxing who publicly called out a guy he ducked). You don't call out guys you want to duck, you ignore them and hope that nobody talks about it. Casamayor and Freitas fought each other, had a controversial decision and a rematch was supposed to happen, Floyd chose to move up and fight the #1 guy at 135 instead.

The Hatton stuff I might as well argue whether there is a god to a Catholic. No matter what logic you bring up they're just going to cling to nonsense Gummon bro

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I love Floyd haters. It's all revisionist history, it's always Floyd's fault if a fight never happened. I don't think there's ever been an athlete who's had such devoted haters. When Floyd retires undefeated it's going to truly piss off a lot of people.