Tyson/JCC on Mayweather - We’re going to see how tough he is

[Hulk]

Miguel Cotto did very well vs Floyd, his hands are slower, he's got a better jab, and more of a traditional work behind the jab technique but he tried southpaw here and there and Zab Judah had his moments vs Floyd and he's not on Pac's level either.

1 of 2 things happen, #1 Manny connects early and often #2 Floyd's defense is too good. The longer the fight goes the more you have to favor Floyd. I'm not saying Manny needs him out by round 2 or anything, but Manny does need to win the early rounds and at the very least score a knockdown if it goes the distance

Yes you've got it. Floyd gives away early rounds lately. They are there for the taking.

Ill be very surprised if this fight does not go the distance, which favors Mayweather.

[Primo Carnera]

What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!

[Manos de Piedra]

What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!

I agree with you on that.
I actually think khan gives mayweather more problems with his pitty pat in and out style and fast hands that will steal rounds, which will lead to mayweather having to attack. Or maybe i'm just overrating khan and mayweather is a different class and just picks him off and stops him.

[goti71]

I agree that Floyd will likely lose the early rounds (a KD maybe?), but after watching Algieri get that right hand lead through quite consistently to Pac's face (till Algieri got dropped 5 or 6 times), I imagine Floyd doing the same and better and more often.

[El Kabong]

It's going to be the case with all big time boxing events you're looking for momentum, who grabs it first, who can hold on to it, and who can implement their strategy best. Floyd will probably look to make a statement/scare Manny with something in round 1, be it a sharp power punch, or a speedy flurry, but you better believe that Pac will be looking to land hard and early in return. Whoever gets that first good hard connect will start with the momentum, then it boils down to how does the opponent take it, does it make them think, does it change their fight plan.


Floyd is certainly going to do the Ali, RJJ, tactic of landing a big clean shot in round 1 to get Manny thinking or to get him pissed off and try and get him swinging wildly.

[Manos de Piedra]

It's going to be the case with all big time boxing events you're looking for momentum, who grabs it first, who can hold on to it, and who can implement their strategy best. Floyd will probably look to make a statement/scare Manny with something in round 1, be it a sharp power punch, or a speedy flurry, but you better believe that Pac will be looking to land hard and early in return. Whoever gets that first good hard connect will start with the momentum, then it boils down to how does the opponent take it, does it make them think, does it change their fight plan.


Floyd is certainly going to do the Ali, RJJ, tactic of landing a big clean shot in round 1 to get Manny thinking or to get him pissed off and try and get him swinging wildly.

it's a great tactic. My trainer always told us to throw 2 really stiff jabs as your first punches of the fight to get the guy thinking even if your not the biggest puncher make him think you are.

[Manos de Piedra]

I agree that Floyd will likely lose the early rounds (a KD maybe?), but after watching Algieri get that right hand lead through quite consistently to Pac's face (till Algieri got dropped 5 or 6 times), I imagine Floyd doing the same and better and more often.

Algieri worked out that pac majority of the time comes in with 2 jabs followed by the straight left and managed to time the jabs and land right hands before pac got to throw the left. But the problem was that algieri would still be in punching range when he pivoted out and would move into pac's right hook. Floyd should do what marquez did which was a simple step back, counter and escape.

[beenKOed]

What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!

I agree with almost everything you said, but I'm hoping for some good exchanges. I'm hoping Manny can do enough to force Floyd into a fight where he's uncomfortable.

Truthfully, I want both these fighters to win.
I like Manny's style much more than Floyd's, but I still want to see Floyd get that undefeated record. Floyd needs this fight and two more.
Don't you want to see some real boxing history made, a record that could last 60yrs or more.
What a story it would be if Manny won. Wow! Manny could become the uncrowned king of the Philippines.
High drama y'all, I need a drink of water and some down time. Lololololololololololo!!!!
Mannnnny Pacquiaaaaaooooo. The uncrowned king of the Philippines!!!
Come on y'all, let's have some fun!

[Master]

Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.

I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.

[smashup]

Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.

I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.

How can you dismiss Pacquiao so easily?

Floyd is an ageing fighter now and nowhere near the fighter he was 5 years ago.
He's not been made to fight at any sort of pace in years since the De La Hoya fight imo and Pacquiao clearly still has bags of energy and stamina and is one of the busiest fighters around still.

Flipping what you have said around i'd say a only "moron" would so easily dismiss such a good fighter as Manny Pacquiao against an old man.

[Master]

Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.

I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.

How can you dismiss Pacquiao so easily?

Floyd is an ageing fighter now and nowhere near the fighter he was 5 years ago.
He's not been made to fight at any sort of pace in years since the De La Hoya fight imo and Pacquiao clearly still has bags of energy and stamina and is one of the busiest fighters around still.

Flipping what you have said around i'd say a only "moron" would so easily dismiss such a good fighter as Manny Pacquiao against an old man.

Do not cling onto the Maidana fight. Floyd has levels and for the biggest fight of his career Floyd will be at his very best.

BTW I want Manny to win.

[smashup]

Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.

I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.

How can you dismiss Pacquiao so easily?

Floyd is an ageing fighter now and nowhere near the fighter he was 5 years ago.
He's not been made to fight at any sort of pace in years since the De La Hoya fight imo and Pacquiao clearly still has bags of energy and stamina and is one of the busiest fighters around still.

Flipping what you have said around i'd say a only "moron" would so easily dismiss such a good fighter as Manny Pacquiao against an old man.

Do not cling onto the Maidana fight. Floyd has levels and for the biggest fight of his career Floyd will be at his very best.

BTW I want Manny to win.

Im not Clinging to anything at all, Floyd hasn't been in with a super fast fighter in years for obvious reasons, add to that it's a proven World Class southpaw and then the fact it's Manny Pacquiao and i base my opinion purely on that

Too simply just dismiss him is ridiculous

[ruthless rocco]

Can a post PED abusing Pacquiao be considered a real threat?

How can we asses his abilities when his greatest achievements came when he was cheating using steroids and his recent fights which have been fought clean have been less than spectacular against sub par opponents that were chosen to make him look good?

[pacfan]

Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.

I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.

How can you dismiss Pacquiao so easily?

Floyd is an ageing fighter now and nowhere near the fighter he was 5 years ago.
He's not been made to fight at any sort of pace in years since the De La Hoya fight imo and Pacquiao clearly still has bags of energy and stamina and is one of the busiest fighters around still.

Flipping what you have said around i'd say a only "moron" would so easily dismiss such a good fighter as Manny Pacquiao against an old man.

Don't take it too hard, mate. When Master said moron, he meant 'a nice moron.'

Can a post PED abusing Pacquiao be considered a real threat? How can we asses his abilities when his greatest achievements came when he was cheating using steroids and his recent fights which have been fought clean have been less than spectacular against sub par opponents that were chosen to make him look good against?

So Rocky, that means if PED-less Pac beats Floyd, you'll accept him as a great fighter?
...gees, I can't believe I even asked that....
*******

Something's telling me some people are in for a big surprise come May 2...

[ruthless rocco]

I accept Pac is a great fighter.

Who wouldn't?!

Man, you're thick.