General Election 2015

[Kirkland Laing]

There's enough wrong in this post to take a book to answer but let's just look at the first really dumb thing you say. That 92 million includes everybody 16 or over in education and everybody under 65 and retired with money and everybody retired 65 or over, every disabled person and so on. This number is always a "record number" because the population is currently growing quite quickly and the baby boomer generation are all retiring, squeezing the working age share of the population down.

The fact is that in terms of social mobility -- the ability to be born into one socio-economic group and move upwards during your lifetime -- (what you're told is the American Dream) America comes dead last out of all industrialised countries. Dead fucking last.

Also, too. If you've got something to say about the British election you're welcome to post it here. Otherwise stop bringing your regulat garbage into every fucking thread.

Oh I DARED to voice an opinion different than yours....oh dear, dear me, I am dreadfully sorry to upset you so.

Allow me to break down what I was saying...

Oh the +55's are starting to get MORE involved in the economy again Hmm, curious that. I do wonder why they wouldn't just retire...I mean the economy has been EPIC recently. And the youth staying in school, and the prime age workers also dropping out of the workforce, hmmm curious...it's almost like that graph has an agenda to prove you wrong. You should call up this ....U.S. "Census Bureau" and give them what for comrade!

Excuse me, did you say "ALWAYS A RECORD NUMBER"

...Always....like every single time? Because to ME....and this is JUST me lol.... it looks like that graph has some peaks and valleys which would of course suggest that....no, that number is NOT "ALWAYS A RECORD NUMBER"

When you say "dead last out of all industrialized countries. Dead fucking last."

....is the U.K. not industrialized? Because they seem to be worse off than the United States....but of course THAT couldn't be right as it flies in the face of your reality and we all know that YOUR reality is what really matters.

Yes I have views on the British elections as I am a citizen of the world....otherwise it would be silly for me to comment in such a thread seeing how I don't live in England, I mean who.....who would comment on the political and economic policies of a place where they don't live Kirkland? Whoever would do such a thing?

I'd say UKIP is the most Libertarian party: anti-prohibition on currently illegal drugs, clearing out excessive taxation, peace through strength in regards to the military , seeking mutually beneficial trade terms with the EU....but you likely want the polar opposite and certainly you're more than within your rights to want that, also if you dislike my posts you could just skip over them and not read them nor respond to them, but I don't want to tell you what to do as you wouldn't listen to reason anyway.

Well I hope this has been educational for you and good luck with getting through each day with your attitude....won't be long before someone stabs you in the throat with a spork because you're a whingy cunt but hey, you'll die as you lived....a whingy cunt

Numbers and percentages Woti. They're not the same thing. The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

And most surveys of major economies find that the US comes dead last in social mobility. The US has the saame level of social mobility as medieval England.

[El Kabong]

Numbers and percentages Woti. They're not the same thing. The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

And most surveys of major economies find that the US comes dead last in social mobility. The US has the saame level of social mobility as medieval England.

Alright...


http://www.realclearmarkets.com/arti...hy_100840.html
That link is there, you aren't required to read all of it, I'll just give you a little dose of information from it.

" A popular view is that labor force participation is declining because older people are retiring. But since 2000 the labor force participation rates of workers 55 and over have been rising steadily, and the labor force participation rates of workers between 16 and 54 have been declining."

Your rebuttal?

[Master]

The UK's party leaders have clashed in the first TV election debate on a range of issues including the NHS, immigration and the deficit.

It is the only time David Cameron and Ed Miliband will appear together on TV ahead of 7 May's polling day.

The Conservative and Labour leaders, as well as the leaders of the Lib Dems, UKIP, the Green Party, the SNP and Plaid Cymru, also debated zero-hours contracts, spending cuts and education in the ITV-hosted contest.

But some of the sharpest exchanges in the two-hour event came when Lib Dem Nick Clegg clashed with Mr Cameron.

Snap polls taken after the debate gave a mixed verdict.

A YouGov poll of 1,100 people gave a clear victory to the SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon, with 28%, followed by UKIP leader Nigel Farage on 20%, Mr Cameron on 18%, Mr Miliband on 15%, Mr Clegg on 10%, Green Party leader Natalie Bennett on 5% and Plaid Cymru's Leanne Wood on 4%.

But a ComRes poll for ITV made it a dead heat between Mr Cameron, Mr Miliband, Mr Farage and Ms Sturgeon, although Mr Cameron came out on top on the question of who was most capable of leading the country.

Mr Miliband was judged best performer in an ICM poll for the Guardian, taking 25% of support, just ahead of David Cameron on 24%.

Election TV debate: Leaders clash over NHS, cuts and immigration - BBC News

[mrbig1]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

[ryanman]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

Good man.

[Master]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

Good man.

Aren't you voting Green?

[ryanman]

Saw the debates last night on PBS in the states. If I could vote, I would vote Labour.

Good man.

Aren't you voting Green?

Green is currently in in Brighton Pavilion. That starts two streets away from me. I fall into Hove so will be voting Labour. But anybody that doesn't say Tories or UKIP deserves a 'good man'.

[Kirkland Laing]

Numbers and percentages Woti. They're not the same thing. The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

And most surveys of major economies find that the US comes dead last in social mobility. The US has the saame level of social mobility as medieval England.

Alright...


RealClearMarkets - Who Is Dropping Out Of The Labor Force, and Why?
That link is there, you aren't required to read all of it, I'll just give you a little dose of information from it.

" A popular view is that labor force participation is declining because older people are retiring. But since 2000 the labor force participation rates of workers 55 and over have been rising steadily, and the labor force participation rates of workers between 16 and 54 have been declining."

Your rebuttal?

Who holds this "popular view"? There are people who look at the actual numbers and can see that the labour force participation rate has been falling since 2000. Half of the decline is due to the huge numbers of baby boomers retiring -- back before the baby boom the participation rate was in the mid fifties -- and about half is due to the 2008 economic meltdown.

People 55 and older are working more becausae they've lost a ton of money due to the huge changes in income distribution since 1980 and can't afford to retire.

This means that 16-55 unemployment is increased as older people aren't retiring like they used to. Also, too, youth unemployment has jumped dramatically due to the 2008meltdown -- vast numbers of young people worldwide aren't being employed as older workers cling to their jobs as they're unable to afford retirement.

This kind of article is designed to appeal to people who have no idea about how employment demographics change naturally over they years, and they hit their mark with you.


Let's assume however that this stuff is all true and it backs up however it is that you see things. How do you see things? Do you think Kenyan socialism and liberalism in general is destroying the American economy and way of economic life? That the welfare stste is somehow creating a class of people who don't want or need to work?

[Kirkland Laing]

I managed to avoid all of it so far apart from a photograph of Cameron feeding a lamb. What an utter cunt. In honour of that horrific fucking elecyioneering photograph I'm going to post another photograph of David Cameron from his university days.

[brocktonblockbust]

I managed to avoid all of it so far apart from a photograph of Cameron feeding a lamb. What an utter cunt. In honour of that horrific fucking elecyioneering photograph I'm going to post another photograph of David Cameron from his university days.

the people in that photo look like the biggest fucking CUNTS of ALL TIME. Pompous fucking pretentious snide assholes.

[Kirkland Laing]

I managed to avoid all of it so far apart from a photograph of Cameron feeding a lamb. What an utter cunt. In honour of that horrific fucking elecyioneering photograph I'm going to post another photograph of David Cameron from his university days.

the people in that photo look like the biggest fucking CUNTS of ALL TIME. Pompous fucking pretentious snide assholes.

Here's the current British Chancellor amongst others.

[El Kabong]

"Who holds this 'popular view' ?"

The reason for over half the percentage drop in the labour force participation rate since 2001 is the huge increase in the numbers of the retired population as the baby boomer generation start to retire.

Uh, you apparently.

People 55 and older are working more

...arguing with yourself? Wow you won't even agree with yourself when debating me, amazing, the Denial is strong with you.

This means that 16-55 unemployment is increased as older people aren't retiring like they used to

Unemployment is only increased when the people in those age ranges are LOOKING FOR WORK. Ask the Obama Administration and they'll tell you that despite 93 million people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate is a paltry 5.5% according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Kenyan socialism and liberalism

Kenyan? No, this has nothing to do with Africa, Keynesian economics perhaps...and yes they are in fact complete horse shit. Socialism does not work it leads to rampant waste and fraud and quickly becomes unsustainable especially when the takers outnumber the makers. Liberalism...that plays a part in the culture of course, because if I'm looking to work, provide for my family, and achieve then I'm a bad guy, I spoil it for all the poor saps out there being lazy for a living.



So I guess the question is now...who do you wish to argue with more, me or yourself?

[superheavyrhun]

Did you see that the UKIP leader has made it into the Judge Dredd comic books as a bad guy?

Bilious Barrage is a pretty good summary of the guy!

Nigel Farage reimagined as unsightly Judge Dredd villain 'Bilious Barrage' - People - News - The Independent

[El Kabong]

Comic books....bastions of conservatism

[superheavyrhun]

Comic books....bastions of conservatism

Conservatism and satire have an uneasy relationship, as the conservatives are generally the ones being satirised. Spitting Image did have equal digs at both sides of the spectrum though.