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[QUOTE=El Kabong;1316250]I'm pointing out the difference between Democracy the action and Democracy the form of government.

The quote you use...

A lynch mob is Democracy. Everyone voted but the man being lynched. A Republic rescues this man gives him a fair trial with a bona fide judge and witnesses for his defense

Point of clarification: in a Democracy EVERYONE votes so even the man being lynched would have a vote, it just wouldn't matter if he voted in the minority.

My Point of clarification: Up to this thread-everytime you mentioned the word Democracy- it was with negative connotations- A direct democracy is issue by issue, 1 person, 1 vote, majority rules with no guidelines as to how they can or can't act...so it would be mob rule, no strings attached. Not the case with a Constitutional Republic as the Constitution limits the abilities of the government.


As for the additional comments/questions

When did a Republic rescue black men from being lynched? When Kabong?

1. Did the GOVERNMENT lynch people?
Yes, the government consists of people who govern- They in turn wrote laws that didnt prohibit lynchings- they allowed them to go on unfettered. Henery Berry in 1832 stated:"Pass as severe laws as you will to keep these unfortunate creatures in ignorance. It is in vain unless you can extinguish that spark of intellect which God has given them. Sir, we have as far as possible closed every avenue by which light may enter their minds.

And they would then be reduced to the level of the beasts of the field and we should be safe.
1832 Henry Barry to the House of Delegates- delegates-who would GOVERN..and that was their brand of government.

2. Natives were not American citizens until 1924
Exactly- the Constitutional Republic decided by mob rule who were citizens, slaves and savages.

3. Up til the 1900's? It was well past that time, the Fair Labor Standards Act was passed in 1938
Thats even more deplorable- I was being nice by rounding it off to the nearest century- butif U want to state HOW long it took for a Constitutional Republic to see kids..well as KIDS? Fine by me.

4. Slavery was not completely abolished in the United States until the 13th Amendment was ratified in 1865-1866
Because of Delegates like Henry Barry I presume. Abolishment came up as early as 1832-look at how long the Constitutiona Republic allowed slavery to exist.

5. Chinese kicked out? No it was to halt immigration in, the Chinese that were already in America stayed as long as they were registered and received a certificate of residence.
Immigration for Chinese. Thats why it was called the Chinese Exclusion Act, not the Immigration exclusions act.

You think the Polish, Irish, and Italians didn't catch their fair share of shit when they migrated to the US in great numbers
DId I say that? No, I stated that specificly- there was an act excluding an entire race from entering- So dont change my statement to asking how people were treated---once in. Keep it in context: Was there a Polish exlusion Act? German Exclusion Act? You took my statement out of context-again.

Think it was an easy old time being German and coming over to the US right before World War I?
Here in Milwaukee, we have suburbs that show the power of Germans.. Like Germantown Wisconsin. German newspapers flourished as early as 1750's like Philadelphische Zeitung. German history states as many as 100,000 were here by 1800, so why did you use 1914? The German Philadelphia Settlement Society was purchasing thousands of acres while Natives were losing thousands. And last but surely other great Germans, too many to count- The war in 1848 causing fauilre to [establish democracy] caused a great mingration from Germany; most famous was Carl Schurz. A Union general in the Civil War, & senator & and secretary under President Rutherford B. Hayes.


As for the Mexicans and Hispanics from other nations we (the United States citizens) cannot flip the bill for the entire world to come and live in the United States,
I agree, but keep my point(s) in context- Mexicans lost a region we call California- Was that not the result of a Consitutional Republic? What German areas of immigrants were being taken from Irish? Or Polish area taken from Italians? They all lived in separate areas by ethnic regions- but didnt lose land (Mexicans) werent given an act of exclusion by mob rule- that was my point.

go to our public schools, use our public services, and get benefits meant for citizens....I'm sorry, I know people who have come here on Death Trains, I know folks that have fought like hell to be in this country and that's fine, but the immigrants that come here legally paid for that with a great amount of time, a great amount of effort, and a great amount of money. Yes for those who weren't excluded by way of mob rule or Constitutional Republic.

The skilled laborers from other nations who immigrate, show me a country that doesn't want those people. Here we go down the rabbit hole- Initially this was about YOU telling Master about using the word (republic) as opposed to Democracy- I gave a 3 sentence request- Doesnt a Republic practice Democracy- U then responded : It is a Democratic thing...HOWEVER... my honest opionion it looked as if you couldnt accept anything positive to come from the word (Democrat) or Democracy-. So i tried in vein to use both Republic & Democrat in a positive tone. We are a Republic- upheld by a& Constitution which allows people to choose their leader in a process called Democracy- But you demeaned the process into mob. So I guess in 2016 a mob will elect the next prez by your definition.


EVERY nation would love brilliant engineers to flood the borders of their country, manual laborers? unskilled laborers? There's not a lot of room on this entire Earth for people who take more than they are worth from an economic standpoint. That is true. But dont negate the fact that from 1880's to 1900, Asians were excluded from coming in droves like the Europeans. People of color were exluded from your defined process called mob rule. Women were as well- I pointed these things to say this is frigging far from anything right or balanced. Dont exclude the fact that the original voting process under the founding fathers- didnt allow all 13 states to participate. And the founding fathers didnt allow common people to attend the innuaguration of their constitutional prez aka George. That occured under Jackson a self proclaimed Demoract- let the people show up to see who they voted 4.