Garcia vs Broner

[walrus]

I don't think Garcia was lucky in Khan and Lucas fights. Sure if Lucas eye didn't get so screwed up it would have been a different fight but Danny did inflict the damage, I don't think it was a clash of heads. Danny showed he has a he'll of a chin and a boatload of power against Lucas. At the time Lucas was knocking everyone out. Look how long it took for Khan to bounce back from the Garcia fight. He made Khan reevaluate his style and change everything. I'm a Broner hater but he looked good against Molina. Granted, Molina fought like carp looking for a shot that wasn't coming but still, a much more refined Broner. I think the whoopin Maidana put on Broner actually helped Broner out.

I don't understand Garcia, he has shown he can be a great fighter but his last three fights have been abortions. If Broner and Garcia got in a brawl Garcia may have a better shot but at this point I have lost my confidence in him. I still like him, when he was on top he remained humble, I always like that in a fighter. So when you compare each fighters last couple fights I'd have to say Broner has a very good chance but maybe Garcia needs a fight like that to light a fire under his ads, a fight like that and cut the umbilical cord with his father. He is becoming irrelevant while winning fights, I've really been scratching my head.

[Ron Swanson]

I don't think Garcia was lucky in Khan and Lucas fights. Sure if Lucas eye didn't get so screwed up it would have been a different fight but Danny did inflict the damage, I don't think it was a clash of heads. Danny showed he has a he'll of a chin and a boatload of power against Lucas. At the time Lucas was knocking everyone out. Look how long it took for Khan to bounce back from the Garcia fight. He made Khan reevaluate his style and change everything. I'm a Broner hater but he looked good against Molina. Granted, Molina fought like carp looking for a shot that wasn't coming but still, a much more refined Broner. I think the whoopin Maidana put on Broner actually helped Broner out.

I don't understand Garcia, he has shown he can be a great fighter but his last three fights have been abortions. If Broner and Garcia got in a brawl Garcia may have a better shot but at this point I have lost my confidence in him. I still like him, when he was on top he remained humble, I always like that in a fighter. So when you compare each fighters last couple fights I'd have to say Broner has a very good chance but maybe Garcia needs a fight like that to light a fire under his ads, a fight like that and cut the umbilical cord with his father. He is becoming irrelevant while winning fights, I've really been scratching my head.

Agreed about it not being luck. If you try for a punch over and over and then land a punch it is not lucky. He took advantage of what was there. That is preparation and skill.

It is a flaw of this age where people don't want to acknowledge what happened. This is the photoshop generation. All things can be manipulated to look as people want. In boxing terms it using using qualifiers to avoid the truth. "he ran" "he fought negative" "he forced the action" "Khan WAS out boxing him" etcetera. What happened happened. And it happened out of design.

[beenKOed]

I don't think Garcia was lucky in Khan and Lucas fights. Sure if Lucas eye didn't get so screwed up it would have been a different fight but Danny did inflict the damage, I don't think it was a clash of heads. Danny showed he has a he'll of a chin and a boatload of power against Lucas. At the time Lucas was knocking everyone out. Look how long it took for Khan to bounce back from the Garcia fight. He made Khan reevaluate his style and change everything. I'm a Broner hater but he looked good against Molina. Granted, Molina fought like carp looking for a shot that wasn't coming but still, a much more refined Broner. I think the whoopin Maidana put on Broner actually helped Broner out.

I don't understand Garcia, he has shown he can be a great fighter but his last three fights have been abortions. If Broner and Garcia got in a brawl Garcia may have a better shot but at this point I have lost my confidence in him. I still like him, when he was on top he remained humble, I always like that in a fighter. So when you compare each fighters last couple fights I'd have to say Broner has a very good chance but maybe Garcia needs a fight like that to light a fire under his ads, a fight like that and cut the umbilical cord with his father. He is becoming irrelevant while winning fights, I've really been scratching my head.

I agree that Garcia has become a puzzle with a missing piece.
Fast handed, mobile, boxer punchers have suddenly become a stylistic nightmare for him. Herrera gave him fits and there's no doubt in my mind Peterson could have beaten him if he had started fighting earlier.
Is his father the problem, was he lucky against Khan and Matthysse, is that sixth toe getting too big and slowing him down? Lol It's a mystery, as my Uncle Ruben used to say.
I want to see Broner vs Garcia, like several of you have already said stylistically it's a good matchup.

[J_Undisputed]

Garcia isn't much of a mystery to some. He does well against certain types of fighters or better yet even certain styles. He's a kid with a chin that bangs to the body and does better with types that bring the fight to him and under estimate his ability to counter. Mentally he's able to focus but subject to doubt. Khan couldn't hurt garcia but kept leaping his range and caught ugly counters. Garcia knew Khan would be there for the counter as long as Khan landed first. Matthysse did himself no favors by fighting the same way. Relying on his power and loading up instead of boxing more and throwing punches in bunches. So Guys like herrera and Peterson, that show Garcia that he's in for a long night by taking his punches and backing him can have their way mentally intimidate him. Even old zab took him into deep water by just not just forcing him to fight every minute of every round.

As for Broner, he could do ok if he lands something from front to keep broner honest. Otherwise, he can pick at the body from the outside. Its all depends on how broner uses his speed and keeps walking garcia down. Broners gotta walk into the fire in this one to keep the doubt in garcias mind and eventually out flash him. If broners content to sit back, hes going to lose. At the same time his style is not to bring garcia what what garcia needs to stay busy and confident. Whoever looses this one has a little climb ahead of them (even though it would be garcias first loss) because this isn't exactly a top tier fight.

Interesting fight though: The press conference alone with Garcias father talking all that noise and Broner stuttering for a reply would be a total circus. Garcia's a Philly fighter and probably sees plenty of the shell style.

[walrus]

I hear what your saying but the mystery is his inability to adjust. Not everyone is going to fight the fight he wants certainly not now that everyone can see what troubles him. We are talking three fights in a row, or is it four he couldn't make any adjustments. He still, by luck, maintains the belt but to be worthy of the belt he has to be able to fight more than one fight.

[J_Undisputed]

I hear what your saying but the mystery is his inability to adjust. Not everyone is going to fight the fight he wants certainly not now that everyone can see what troubles him. We are talking three fights in a row, or is it four he couldn't make any adjustments. He still, by luck, maintains the belt but to be worthy of the belt he has to be able to fight more than one fight.

I guess its a matter of perspective and whether you believe he was making adjustments before. Me personally, I think Khan pressed his luck against garcia as garcia's game plan was to track down khan find his fragile chin and put a dent in it. Garcia kept missing khan by fractions of an inch before he finally landed. Some believe that khan was giving garcia an education before Garcia caught him. I think it was case of garcia playing dumb in that they knew he would have to take some punches to land some counters so that's what he did. The sight of khan on rubber legs and splayed out on the canvas kind of erased any damage garcia took before that and cast him in this overnight sensation kind of light.

The fight against matthysse was also one where everyone figured Matthysse just needs to connect and it would be over. Matthysse maybe counted on it too much too. Changed his camp, and trained here instead of argentina, took part in the whole media tour, etc. and didnt use his whole arsenal. Not saying that what garcia did wasn't intentional, but he never changed his plan. The idea was to keep Matthysse from setting up huge punches by boxing and jabbing more from the outside. When Matthysses eye blew up, it was easier to start getting a little more aggressive but basically if its not broke, don't fix it. The eye kept Matthysse from really adjusting which kept garcia from needed to adjust.

Herrera was supposed to be a showcase. Then they found out that Herrera wasn't coming to lay down. Garcia got a gift decision anyway, a lot of people think. So off that Haymon decides that garcia lost his luster and the magic is wearing off and sets him up with an unranked fighter coming up from a lighter weight that Garcia just loaded up all day and Gamache'd in like 2 rounds. For me its kind of smoke and mirrors.. not saying its all haymon orchestrated... im just saying that when you look at the guys he had trouble with:
Bloated Morales (First fight)
Old Zab (Aged and Chinny would eventually fade, allowing youth to catch up)
Herrera (Didnt read the script)
Peterson (hard worker but i think they believed if Matthysse caught him, they could too)

With those performances, I wouldn't have expected him to have a high boxing IQ. If he isn't stylistically spoon-fed, I think hes prone to having an average night if you take away the glitz. I wouldn't really call the belts luck either. Catchweights the last 2 times to keep him from losing the belt on the scales.

[corvette]

Danny reminds me of a fighter that needs a new trainer.

[frasd]

I thought it funny watching AB joke about himself.

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[Kirkland Laing]

This is a good fight for both of these guys while they still have cachet. Neither of them is going to do a damn thing at 147 and neither of them can make 140 anymore. Garcia looks a shadow of the fighter he used to be. Broner hasn't looked anything special since before the Maidana fight. I have a feeling that it could be similar to the Garcia Peterson fight. Neither guy willing to go balls out to win and both trying to fiddle their way to a decision.