Should there be exceptions to "10-8" rounds?

[ykdadamaja]

I will always give a 10-8 round for a knockdown and will never give a 10-8 round because a fighter beat their opponent really badly in a round. The rules are dumb though because they say that if the ref calls it a knockdown then you have to count it as a knockdown yet it's still to your discretion how you score it.

Actually that's not true. There is nothing in the rules that says you must call a slip a kd should the ref call it one of discount a kd that is ruled a slip.

In addition there is nothing in the rules that says you must rule a 10/8 if a kd is ruled. The 10/8 is essentially based on a rd that was even but that's not written in stone because as the opening example suggests the round may have only been even briefly.

The same may apply to a point deduction. It depends on the when and what happens after. The person who loses the point does not automatically lose the rd.

With today's scoring and with the scorecards, the ref must indicate which round had a knockdown. Or else he would be in question. That's why they have supervisors in attendance from the Athletic Commission and from the sanctioning bodies.

So, once the ref says it's a knockdown, it must be scored as a knockdown. No instant replay.

What's disturbing me more is that when guys get knocked down in the ring, and the ref does not see it, he turns to the side-judge to see if whether or not the side judge has started the count. I think the ref should have more latitude to say if it was a knockdown or not, or to waive it off.

Again that's not true. They will do it but they dont have to. Its "may" vs shall or must. The judge is not obligated to call a clear slip a kd. Whether the lab rats that are today's judges do so does not make it correct or rule abiding. Because they do is part of the problem and the examples are endless.

In addition there is no rule that says a kd must equate a 10/8 round. Thats another fallacy

Well, I stand corrected if this is the case. But they often times don't go that route.

[IamInuit]

I will always give a 10-8 round for a knockdown and will never give a 10-8 round because a fighter beat their opponent really badly in a round. The rules are dumb though because they say that if the ref calls it a knockdown then you have to count it as a knockdown yet it's still to your discretion how you score it.

Actually that's not true. There is nothing in the rules that says you must call a slip a kd should the ref call it one of discount a kd that is ruled a slip.

In addition there is nothing in the rules that says you must rule a 10/8 if a kd is ruled. The 10/8 is essentially based on a rd that was even but that's not written in stone because as the opening example suggests the round may have only been even briefly.

The same may apply to a point deduction. It depends on the when and what happens after. The person who loses the point does not automatically lose the rd.

With today's scoring and with the scorecards, the ref must indicate which round had a knockdown. Or else he would be in question. That's why they have supervisors in attendance from the Athletic Commission and from the sanctioning bodies.

So, once the ref says it's a knockdown, it must be scored as a knockdown. No instant replay.

What's disturbing me more is that when guys get knocked down in the ring, and the ref does not see it, he turns to the side-judge to see if whether or not the side judge has started the count. I think the ref should have more latitude to say if it was a knockdown or not, or to waive it off.

Again that's not true. They will do it but they dont have to. Its "may" vs shall or must. The judge is not obligated to call a clear slip a kd. Whether the lab rats that are today's judges do so does not make it correct or rule abiding. Because they do is part of the problem and the examples are endless.

In addition there is no rule that says a kd must equate a 10/8 round. Thats another fallacy

Well, I stand corrected if this is the case. But they often times don't go that route.

Actually no you are partly right. Many commissions and some of the Orgs say you should call the kd if the ref calls it one. And you are also correct in the fact that they do exactly what you said.

As to the 10/8 Feldman called the third round in Lee vs Kid Ovaltine a 10/9 and rightly so because Lee dominated the rd after he was dropped.

[Bill Paxtom]

~ 10-8 Round ~

*} A knockdown is not needed to score a {10-8} Round.

*} On the other hand, a 'flash-knockdown' could be the result of an off-balance push-punch.

*} It all depends on the Referee, and pre-fight rules.

*} For a long time, many of the Scoring Officials 'abused' the {10-8} scoring.

[ykdadamaja]

I will always give a 10-8 round for a knockdown and will never give a 10-8 round because a fighter beat their opponent really badly in a round. The rules are dumb though because they say that if the ref calls it a knockdown then you have to count it as a knockdown yet it's still to your discretion how you score it.

Actually that's not true. There is nothing in the rules that says you must call a slip a kd should the ref call it one of discount a kd that is ruled a slip.

In addition there is nothing in the rules that says you must rule a 10/8 if a kd is ruled. The 10/8 is essentially based on a rd that was even but that's not written in stone because as the opening example suggests the round may have only been even briefly.

The same may apply to a point deduction. It depends on the when and what happens after. The person who loses the point does not automatically lose the rd.

With today's scoring and with the scorecards, the ref must indicate which round had a knockdown. Or else he would be in question. That's why they have supervisors in attendance from the Athletic Commission and from the sanctioning bodies.

So, once the ref says it's a knockdown, it must be scored as a knockdown. No instant replay.

What's disturbing me more is that when guys get knocked down in the ring, and the ref does not see it, he turns to the side-judge to see if whether or not the side judge has started the count. I think the ref should have more latitude to say if it was a knockdown or not, or to waive it off.

Again that's not true. They will do it but they dont have to. Its "may" vs shall or must. The judge is not obligated to call a clear slip a kd. Whether the lab rats that are today's judges do so does not make it correct or rule abiding. Because they do is part of the problem and the examples are endless.

In addition there is no rule that says a kd must equate a 10/8 round. Thats another fallacy

Well, I stand corrected if this is the case. But they often times don't go that route.

Actually no you are partly right. Many commissions and some of the Orgs say you should call the kd if the ref calls it one. And you are also correct in the fact that they do exactly what you said.

As to the 10/8 Feldman called the third round in Lee vs Kid Ovaltine a 10/9 and rightly so because Lee dominated the rd after he was dropped.

Make up your effing mind!