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    Default Re: Not a good look for Kovalev

    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
    Yet people called Hopkins racist while he was trained by a white guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corvette View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
    Yet people called Hopkins racist while he was trained by a white guy.
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by corvette View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
    Yet people called Hopkins racist while he was trained by a white guy.
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.
    Like I said.

    Kovalev has a HISTORY of this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corvette View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
    Yet people called Hopkins racist while he was trained by a white guy.
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.
    Like I said.

    Kovalev has a HISTORY of this shit.
    Ya see now that's important. You don't know a man in an instant but in patterns and behavior. So what are these demonstrated by Kovalev and what is his history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by corvette View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by corvette View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    That being said, I will concede that yes, Kovalev having a black trainer doesn't necessarily mean he's not a racist, and that for all we know John David Jackson puts up with horrible racist behaviour from Kovalev for the sake of a pay cheque. That's certainly possible.

    I do believe that the relationship between trainer and fighter is usually a very close one, and if Kovalev hated blacks as much as people seem to believe, I question why he wouldn't just get another trainer? There are a ton of amazing non-black trainers out there who would love to work with a champion and possible world beater like Kovalev: trainers with much deeper resumes than JDJ.
    Yet people called Hopkins racist while he was trained by a white guy.
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.
    Like I said.

    Kovalev has a HISTORY of this shit.
    Ya see now that's important. You don't know a man in an instant but in patterns and behavior. So what are these demonstrated by Kovalev and what is his history?
    He has a history of referring to Black people as niggers and monkeys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.
    Yeah, and Adrien Broner got in trouble for the Mexican comment. Race is always going to be a touchy subject and you're bound to offend whenever you say something racial. I think people need to lighten up.
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    Kov needs to be made aware of his actions and the consequences of having those ignorant beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Kov needs to be made aware of his actions and the consequences of having those ignorant beliefs.
    Basically he needs to "Americanize" himself for lack of a better word and understand everything he does and says is under scrutiny in a Country with a shameful history in regards to race. Educate himself and adapt to his surroundings. The cultural and societal teachings, experiences and languages are worlds apart between many countries. Hell even states in the U.S. Where I live many many locals refer to themselves as "Coonass". Say that outside of the state and next thing you know you are in the Klan or some shit. Its no excuse for being a dummy, but I really do not believe those mentioned, Broner, or a Hopkins or a Kovalev are racist. At least not the racism and true hate I've seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spicoli View Post
    Most who called Hopkins a racist after "I never lost to a white boy" didn't like him to begin with. The consultation and what Hopkins said to Pavlik after that fight was all you needed to see to know what he thought.
    Yeah, and Adrien Broner got in trouble for the Mexican comment. Race is always going to be a touchy subject and you're bound to offend whenever you say something racial. I think people need to lighten up.
    I never understood the Broner dust up honestly. If anything he was guilty of being an asshole there. I think it was the way he said it in that location, the crowd, wbc etc. "I just fucked UP a Mexican". Mexican by itself...who cares. But he went dumb with it.

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    Maybe I am giving the guy to much leeway as I love watching him fight but I can't believe that Kovalev is racist in any meaningful way. I just don't see an actual racist with white supremacist beliefs allowing himself to be trained by a black trainer. Is he racist in the sense that he'll make racist remarks and has some prejudices, probably, most people are. Is he racist in the sense that he believes black people are subhumans and should be slaves, doubt it. Shitty thing to do but who the f knows I'm not in the dude's head...Also in another sport this might be a huge deal but in boxing we routinely root for less than savory characters..
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    Quote Originally Posted by armin View Post
    Maybe I am giving the guy to much leeway as I love watching him fight but I can't believe that Kovalev is racist in any meaningful way. I just don't see an actual racist with white supremacist beliefs allowing himself to be trained by a black trainer. Is he racist in the sense that he'll make racist remarks and has some prejudices, probably, most people are. Is he racist in the sense that he believes black people are subhumans and should be slaves, doubt it. Shitty thing to do but who the f knows I'm not in the dude's head...Also in another sport this might be a huge deal but in boxing we routinely root for less than savory characters..
    You don't root for Broner...

    Or any american fighter............of a certain hue.

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