The Logic Behind a Pacquiao win...makes no sense

[Master]

When was the last time Floyd blew out anyone?

[the_PRODIGY]

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

[Boxer4life]

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

I dont think he uses the philly shell for pac, i think he puts his window up like he did against Shane and walks him back. I think Roach and Manny will try to time the right hook when maywaether shoots the right, becausehe leaves his chin open, but once floyd gets hit once, i think he takes it away from him.

[the_PRODIGY]

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

I dont think he uses the philly shell for pac, i think he puts his window up like he did against Shane and walks him back. I think Roach and Manny will try to time the right hook when maywaether shoots the right, becausehe leaves his chin open, but once floyd gets hit once, i think he takes it away from him.

I disagree that he should walk Pacquiao down. Nobody has successfully done that ever. Erik Morales tried to blitz Pacquiao because Manny's reaction used to step away and cover up. He couldn't fight backwards. But that's before and he has significantly improve on that aspect as we saw on the Cotto fight. And even before, Morales did it only in spurts. I just don't see anyone being able to constantly walk Pacquiao down. He's too good against that and that's what he wants you to do. The best option a Pacquiao opponent can take is to stand toe to toe but keep a steady distance and capitalize on counters as soon as he tries to attack. It requires patience, intelligence and an ample amount of willingness to get hit. Marquez did that and it took him 41 rounds, until he had the power to stop Pacquiao. Floyd can do it, the question will be is he willing to do it. Don't forget he used to be called Pretty Boy. Marquez's face wasn't so pretty after all Pacquiao fights, regardless if fans think he won all of it. That's because he was waiting for the kill when Pacquiao is going for the kill.

[the_PRODIGY]

I would think the ultimate reason why I'm giving Pacquiao a big chance of winning is because he's faced every adversity you can offer him. He's eaten a thousand right hands from Marquez already, he's faced boxer/punchers, runners and straight up walk down fighters. He has dealt with nasty cuts, cramps and a near death experience knockout loss.

On the other hand, Floyd is in the toughest match up of his fighting career stylistically and he's never really dealt with the consequences of fighting Pacquiao the Marquez way. The ugly side of the Marquez blueprint involves fight altering cuts, severely broken nose, flash knockdowns from a puny tazmanian devil in front of you. IF, he can deal with that and end up winning the world will finally give him a break.

[Boxer4life]

I would think the ultimate reason why I'm giving Pacquiao a big chance of winning is because he's faced every adversity you can offer him. He's eaten a thousand right hands from Marquez already, he's faced boxer/punchers, runners and straight up walk down fighters. He has dealt with nasty cuts, cramps and a near death experience knockout loss.

On the other hand, Floyd is in the toughest match up of his fighting career stylistically and he's never really dealt with the consequences of fighting Pacquiao the Marquez way. The ugly side of the Marquez blueprint involves fight altering cuts, severely broken nose, flash knockdowns from a puny tazmanian devil in front of you. IF, he can deal with that and end up winning the world will finally give him a break.

You know I think the focus here is too much on how will Floyd deal with Manny vs the other way around. People seem to forger Manny has NEVER fought anything close to a FLoyd Mayweather. And i think that will be the difference. Manny is the best brawler in town, but he seems weak against boxers.

[Boxer4life]

Okay, now for a boxing IQ test. What is the difference between Marquez and Floyd? I'm bringing up this issue as many fans and even experts are using Floyd's beating of Marquez as sort of a gauge to predict the outcome of the fight. If you can answer this, you'll know why Manny can beat Floyd. This is a very crucial difference or issue that I'm counting on for Manny to beat Floyd. Anyone up to the challenge?
There's logic lurking somewhere under the intangibles of boxing that only the people who really knows the sport can find or see. Think about it.

I dont ever agree with the if A beat B and B beat C than that means A can beat C. But the "difference" you're talking about I dont know, they have a ton of differences. I just think overall mayweather is a much better fighter than marquez, and manny always struggles with people who can move. I keep saying it and i stand by it, this fight wont be close. But please do impart your wisdom on us.

Thanks @Boxer4life, and I do respect your opinion, it's pretty reasonable.
Well the big difference is that Marquez can hurt Manny, but can Floyd? I think not. You see, the reason Manny had difficulty with Marquez was that he wasn't able do what he wanted offensively because every time Manny came in, he was made to pay dearly for it (you can see Manny's busted face after every fight with Marquez). That limited his offense which was the key to all his victory. So if Manny can take Floyd's punch, which I think he can, he will be coming in and in and it will be just a matter of time that Floyd will be caught by his big shots and I believe when that happens, like all other opponents of Manny, Floyd will either be KO/TKO'd or will be forced to backtrack the rest of the fight, just like what Mosley, Cotto and others did. And I've seen nobody who backtracks win. This is what I'm expecting Saturday and we shall see...

That makes sense, although i think FLoyd does have underrated power. He was able to put marquez down but he was too careful to do any real damage. The thing with Floyd is, he is always thinking of winning in the fight, so if something is not working he changes it all up, and he always does so within the first 4 rounds. MAnny is a busy fighter yes, but when you get a guy who can move or evade his punches, his punch output goes down by a ton. Either way im super excited and cant wait.

When was the last time Floyd blew out anyone?

Canelo

That is not what I mean. I meant knocked out cleanly without anyone giving him a free punch.

Ahh i see, you're right its been a while, but i think with the demeanor of this fight, we'll see a different Floyd Mayweather, last time he felt disrespected was the Ricky Hatton fight, and we saw how that ended. I think he feels the same way here, but thats all just a bunch of presumptuous baloney on my end, i cant wait for the fight, and i still stand by what i said. I think Freddie is getting ready for the wrong Mayweather.

Floyd is all kinds of favored to win this fight. But, Pacquiao is a relentless southpaw who throws a hard straight and snappy left that always seems to cut his opponent. There's no way the Philly Shell can block that. Floyd has to dodge and move out of harms way then capitalize on counter opportunities. It's very risky. The problem that Pacquiao poses is after a straight left and you are on the ropes there's more to come. And they're coming from all weird angles. Take note, it's not a left jab, which he is a sucker for, it's a straight left hand from Manny Pacquiao.

I'm curious on how will Floyd react to a nasty cut or a broken eye socket once that unprotected left side of Floyd gets hit. He can't avoid it using the Philly shell, he can't use the shoulder roll. I believe the most effective way to prevent that is by making Pacquiao allergic to a check left hook. He should stun him using that because if not, Pacquiao will keep coming. You have hurt him real bad on his feet or knock him out senseless like what Marquez did.

I dont think he uses the philly shell for pac, i think he puts his window up like he did against Shane and walks him back. I think Roach and Manny will try to time the right hook when maywaether shoots the right, becausehe leaves his chin open, but once floyd gets hit once, i think he takes it away from him.

I disagree that he should walk Pacquiao down. Nobody has successfully done that ever. Erik Morales tried to blitz Pacquiao because Manny's reaction used to step away and cover up. He couldn't fight backwards. But that's before and he has significantly improve on that aspect as we saw on the Cotto fight. And even before, Morales did it only in spurts. I just don't see anyone being able to constantly walk Pacquiao down. He's too good against that and that's what he wants you to do. The best option a Pacquiao opponent can take is to stand toe to toe but keep a steady distance and capitalize on counters as soon as he tries to attack. It requires patience, intelligence and an ample amount of willingness to get hit. Marquez did that and it took him 41 rounds, until he had the power to stop Pacquiao. Floyd can do it, the question will be is he willing to do it. Don't forget he used to be called Pretty Boy. Marquez's face wasn't so pretty after all Pacquiao fights, regardless if fans think he won all of it. That's because he was waiting for the kill when Pacquiao is going for the kill.

The thing about Floyd is when he walks you down it's calculated and still in a counter punching fashion. This fight has a lot of interesting dynamics at play but I think Floyd has his number. Personally I think Paciqou is awful on his back foot. And i think FLoyd CAN hurt Pacman and will. Because one thing about Manny, is he gets hit, and hit ALOT.

[pacfan]

Okay, now for a boxing IQ test. What is the difference between Marquez and Floyd? I'm bringing up this issue as many fans and even experts are using Floyd's beating of Marquez as sort of a gauge to predict the outcome of the fight. If you can answer this, you'll know why Manny can beat Floyd. This is a very crucial difference or issue that I'm counting on for Manny to beat Floyd. Anyone up to the challenge?
There's logic lurking somewhere under the intangibles of boxing that only the people who really knows the sport can find or see. Think about it.

I dont ever agree with the if A beat B and B beat C than that means A can beat C. But the "difference" you're talking about I dont know, they have a ton of differences. I just think overall mayweather is a much better fighter than marquez, and manny always struggles with people who can move. I keep saying it and i stand by it, this fight wont be close. But please do impart your wisdom on us.

Thanks @Boxer4life, and I do respect your opinion, it's pretty reasonable.
Well the big difference is that Marquez can hurt Manny, but can Floyd? I think not. You see, the reason Manny had difficulty with Marquez was that he wasn't able do what he wanted offensively because every time Manny came in, he was made to pay dearly for it (you can see Manny's busted face after every fight with Marquez). That limited his offense which was the key to all his victory. So if Manny can take Floyd's punch, which I think he can, he will be coming in and in and it will be just a matter of time that Floyd will be caught by his big shots and I believe when that happens, like all other opponents of Manny, Floyd will either be KO/TKO'd or will be forced to backtrack the rest of the fight, just like what Mosley, Cotto and others did. And I've seen nobody who backtracks win. This is what I'm expecting Saturday and we shall see...

That makes sense, although i think FLoyd does have underrated power. He was able to put marquez down but he was too careful to do any real damage. The thing with Floyd is, he is always thinking of winning in the fight, so if something is not working he changes it all up, and he always does so within the first 4 rounds. MAnny is a busy fighter yes, but when you get a guy who can move or evade his punches, his punch output goes down by a ton. Either way im super excited and cant wait.

@Boxing4life, ya I agree about Mayweather's punch and I've said the same thing couple of times here - that Floyd's punches are bit underrated. Now about him hurting Pac? I can't answer that with absolute certainty but based on other known big punchers Pac has fought, I think he can. And about Pac not being good at hitting evasive/moving fighter, Pac can hit anything, look at Bradley who moves more than Floyd and whom Marquez couldn't catch with any solid shot. So again, I'm sticking with my logic that if Pac can take Floyd's punch - that is the most crucial issue here for me - Floyd is going to get hit and if he gets hit, like most other he will either be KD/KO'd or start to retreat. We'll find out for sure soon. Well anyway, cheers.

[Boxer4life]

When was the last time Floyd blew out anyone?

Canelo

[Master]

When was the last time Floyd blew out anyone?

Canelo

That is not what I mean. I meant knocked out cleanly without anyone giving him a free punch.