Pactards ONLY -- I'm looking for the real reason Manny didn't win.

[arcanum26]

If buying the PPV in hopes of a good fight initiated by Pacquiao classifies me as a Pactard - I think the reason he lost is because of the guaranteed $120M. I was thinking of that as early as round 1, where he basically stared at Floyd. I also give Floyd credit. After Sr. gave him a hard time, he took it up a notch for a bit. There was one round where he landed a very hard right hook over the top that served as a reality check for Pacquiao. Pacquiao was like, damn.. that thing can put me to sleep if it caught me square.

It's no secret that Floyd cared about most about his '0'. It's also no longer a secret that Pacquiao cared about his career in politics and as a preacher more than anything. I won't forgive Pacquiao until he gives back my $100 personally.

We know Pac struggles with counter punchers. His punch output goes down when facing defensive boxers. We know that Floyd is a defensive master class. It takes two to tango. If Floyd was as aggressive the way he said he was going to be pre fight then it would have been what you had expected and what most of us wanted. A fireworks display. It wasn't. Deep inside we all knew it was going to be a Floyd win fought within Floyd's tempo.

We just wanted Manny to do something he wasn't known to be doing before. It wasn't the Marquez KO that unhinged Pac about being aggressive and going all out against whatever style he's matched up with. It was evident even before he made it to the US limelight when he fought Nadel Hussein and Agapito Sanchez. He was fighting in spurts, going on prolonged defense and getting hit more than usual because of the defensive style he was faced with. I still think Manny was the Manny of old. If Marquez could neutralize his offense how much more can Floyd do? IMHO I'd say that both did try to make it a fight on their own terms and giving it their all. The better man won that night but I don't think it's fair to say one fighter gave up trying just because of the payday. It's more than that the $ for both these fighters.

[the_PRODIGY]

If buying the PPV in hopes of a good fight initiated by Pacquiao classifies me as a Pactard - I think the reason he lost is because of the guaranteed $120M. I was thinking of that as early as round 1, where he basically stared at Floyd. I also give Floyd credit. After Sr. gave him a hard time, he took it up a notch for a bit. There was one round where he landed a very hard right hook over the top that served as a reality check for Pacquiao. Pacquiao was like, damn.. that thing can put me to sleep if it caught me square.

It's no secret that Floyd cared about most about his '0'. It's also no longer a secret that Pacquiao cared about his career in politics and as a preacher more than anything. I won't forgive Pacquiao until he gives back my $100 personally.

We know Pac struggles with counter punchers. His punch output goes down when facing defensive boxers. We know that Floyd is a defensive master class. It takes two to tango. If Floyd was as aggressive the way he said he was going to be pre fight then it would have been what you had expected and what most of us wanted. A fireworks display. It wasn't. Deep inside we all knew it was going to be a Floyd win fought within Floyd's tempo.

We just wanted Manny to do something he wasn't known to be doing before. It wasn't the Marquez KO that unhinged Pac about being aggressive and going all out against whatever style he's matched up with. It was evident even before he made it to the US limelight when he fought Nadel Hussein and Agapito Sanchez. He was fighting in spurts, going on prolonged defense and getting hit more than usual because of the defensive style he was faced with. I still think Manny was the Manny of old. If Marquez could neutralize his offense how much more can Floyd do? IMHO I'd say that both did try to make it a fight on their own terms and giving it their all. The better man won that night but I don't think it's fair to say one fighter gave up trying just because of the payday. It's more than that the $ for both these fighters.

Yeah there weren't any secrets on where they thrive and what their weaknesses are. At the end of the day, Floyd fought his fight and won handily. Pacquiao is on the biggest fight of his life and barely tried. There's a big difference in struggling against not trying. There's a big difference between getting countered and being afraid to be countered. Pacquiao mocked Mayweather with his antics and commercials leading to the fight. You know Floyd is angry and has an ace in the hole if Pacquiao comes out blazing. Pacquiao fooled people to believe he will make this entertaining. I'm the type of fan who buys PPV because I'm intrigued. I don't subscribe because I like the fighter, rather for the potential great match up if the two fighters showed up. Only Floyd showed up and he didn't need plan B. Pacquiao didn't have a plan B and he's plan A was long accomplished when the fight was signed. Don't get me wrong, I like Manny Pacquiao. But I love Manny Pacquiao fights better. That wasn't his fight. I don't care if he lose or get knocked out cold. But I'm not going out on a limb if I say we all appreciate someone who gives it all out.