There needs to be an immediate rematch (Manny/Floyd)

[Andre]

I know I am in a self imposed exile and that shall be duly continued once I have got this off of my chest.

Watching the fight live, I just thought Manny was shot. What is shot? It is being unable to get your punches off, suddenly losing your step etc. With all that has now come out, it seems Manny isn't shot, but was clearly injured. There is no other reason why the most active fighter Floyd has faced would throw the least and land some of the least. It wasn't Floyd at 38 suddenly becoming a master again. That is poppycock.

I also believe Floyd did know about the injury and in the early rounds every time there in close, Floyd made a grab at the arm and gave it a tug. At one point I shouted at the TV, 'is he trying to break an arm Tyson style?' It was so obvious and when it came out about the arm after the fight, it all clicked into place. Floyd clearly knew what he was doing.

Manny is a fool for going along with it all for the money as Floyd is not Morales or Marquez, he isn't in it for the glory and the boxing. It's opportunism and that alone. He will have to give up a lot to fight Floyd and he should. However, he deserves a rematch and if there is money then it would make sense. Fuck a Cotto rematch at 160. I couldn't give a damn about that. Manny can beat Floyd and I still believe that.

Rematch before the end of the year. Give up the singing and playing and heal and get back to work. You have a job to do Manny Pacquiao. Also quit the smiling and posing, that has also left a sour taste after that showing. Get serious and prove you want to be in there or else you don't deserve a rematch. Let Floyd have the money, but you get serious or your legacy is dumped on. A final chance. That is all. I am back to my Manny imposed exile on main street.

Floyd Mayweather will never allow himself to lose to a non-black fighter

Pac-Man was the honourary white man for the night and he was beaten and the same would happen again.

For the religious among us, this equates to: GOD is black.

[Andre]

If you want to invest into all this again I have a bridge that is a fantastic prospect, just email me and ill let you know all the details cheers.

[Gandalf]

I just cannot help myself with my addictive, narcissistic personality and all. You know, Andre. I feel really bad for all those people who spent a lot of money on the PPV, the tickets, even paying for a flipping weigh in just to have Manny grinning in the ring and then moaning about a shoulder injury afterwards. How can you grin in the ring and then claim an injury? You should be furious, angry, driven if you fight or else more sensible in calling it off if you are injured. Manny has only himself to blame in that regard. I think he has done a giant poop on himself and his reputation with this. However, that was far from the Manny Pac we have seen over the years, it wasn't even close and I think that was obvious. In terms of aesthetics I want to see the best against the best at their best and when one fighter is disabled, it really does detract from it all.

Personally, I don't care for the circus or the money. I watched the fight for free, I am not massively invested in either fighter, but I want to see the best fight the best. Heck, Manny should do it for free if he is serious. I've never understood why people get so interested in the money side of things. As a man you have to make a point and that is all it ever comes down to for me. There is more to life than pantomime and money and in this instance I want to see a man with two arms fight another man with two arms. Let the greedy take all the money, it would also show us what really motivates Manny Pac too. Legacy or money? He needs to rise from the dead and money should not be the object, it should be faith. Manny lost a lot of faith with the performance and by taking the money with an obvious injury he needs to redeem himself.

I'm not so sure Floyd feels the same having banked his 200,000,000 million on the back of an easy nights work. Why take the risk, eh? It was already taken and a free injury too. Floyd is no Barrera or Morales.

[walrus]

Nice to hear from you Miles, I admire you taking the hit for we Pactards. I call myself that but I do much admire Floyd. If this stuff is true, that Mannys injury played a major part in his poor showing then a rematch might be interesting but I'm not sure, Manny already said he thought he won the fight so it looks like he is trying to have it both ways. I think it will come down to Money. If the powers that be think a rematch will generate big bucks I guess it's possible, but if the injury is real and Manny needs surgery they are talking about him being out for nine months. In the end, I think Manny should just chalk this up to the loss it was, get himself fixed up and decide if he should continue fighting.

[Gandalf]

I had the fight even at the half way mark, but Manny did diddly squat in the second half. Even early he showed little fire, his combo's were ragged, his footwork was poor. Manny seemed to be asleep in the first round and all that grinning. Where was the anger, the fury, the will? That was a poor imitation of Manny Pac, but it wasn't just physical. The grinning and complicity in fighting a Mayweather type of fight suggested that mentally Manny wasn't up for the job. Just maybe this is a man who is too rich, too comfortable, too in love with his life, and it maybe wasn't just a physical injury. I don't know. Maybe he was resigned because of the injury, but to take that money knowing that? I couldn't rest easy knowing I had duped so many. Manny certainly hasn't been looking to seek and destroy for a long time now and that was one of the lamest assaults on Mayweather ever seen. Manny needs to look in the mirror, stop smiling and ask A LOT of questions. He is nearly 37. If he doesn't have it then walk away, but if he has then lay it on the line and show the world and do it for enough money to cover his team and just know he gave it his best shot. It's time for some post Clubber Laing evaluation. Jinkee needs to do an Adrien, look him in the eye and say 'Manny, what do you want?'.

[walrus]

I don't know, in baseball we call playing with an injury being game. Had Manny postponed the fight this forum would have been full of calling him chicken. Plus, if he would've had surgery prior to the fight you are looking at a year's delay.I've played baseball with stitches and broken ribs and a fractured collar bone. Not saying Manny did the right thing but if you were talking about surgery and a nine month lay off it would be a hard choice. I don't know the proper answer, just running it through my mind.

[Gandalf]

Yeah, Pac is injured. A tear in the shoulder and out for up to a year. This is Klitschko/Byrd style bad and maybe I have been too harsh on Manny. It's tough and rough and a shame. Well, there you go. Fight of the Century....not really. I guess no rematch, but the fight answered NO questions and Floyd Mayweather is as much a Manny crusher as Byrd is a Vitali destroyer. Best against best my opinion is the same, but I guess we will never find out. I laugh at suggestions that Floyd is the best ever. Pfft. Not even close. I guess Chris Byrd is those top 3 all time HW lists too! Bwahahahaa!

Manny Pacquiao to have surgery on "significant tear" of rotator cuff in right shoulder

I shall return when Manny's next fight is announced. I shall contact him, offer him political advice, English lessons, and help him with the next propaganda initiative. Could it be an Ali style comeback? After all, Ali lost to Frazier first time out. A real man offers a rematch. If not for the humanity.....then for the money.

[beenKOed]

Yeah, Pac is injured. A tear in the shoulder and out for up to a year. This is Klitschko/Byrd style bad and maybe I have been too harsh on Manny. It's tough and rough and a shame. Well, there you go. Fight of the Century....not really. I guess no rematch, but the fight answered NO questions and Floyd Mayweather is as much a Manny crusher as Byrd is a Vitali destroyer. Best against best my opinion is the same, but I guess we will never find out. I laugh at suggestions that Floyd is the best ever. Pfft. Not even close. I guess Chris Byrd is those top 3 all time HW lists too! Bwahahahaa!

Manny Pacquiao to have surgery on "significant tear" of rotator cuff in right shoulder

I shall return when Manny's next fight is announced. I shall contact him, offer him political advice, English lessons, and help him with the next propaganda initiative. Could it be an Ali style comeback? After all, Ali lost to Frazier first time out. A real man offers a rematch. If not for the humanity.....then for the money.

Gandalf you never fail to amaze me, your heart is not only brave and romantic, it is also kind and giving. A good person thru and thru.
You are starting to annoy me! lol

[corvette]

I had the fight even at the half way mark, but Manny did diddly squat in the second half. Even early he showed little fire, his combo's were ragged, his footwork was poor. Manny seemed to be asleep in the first round and all that grinning. Where was the anger, the fury, the will? That was a poor imitation of Manny Pac, but it wasn't just physical. The grinning and complicity in fighting a Mayweather type of fight suggested that mentally Manny wasn't up for the job. Just maybe this is a man who is too rich, too comfortable, too in love with his life, and it maybe wasn't just a physical injury. I don't know. Maybe he was resigned because of the injury, but to take that money knowing that? I couldn't rest easy knowing I had duped so many. Manny certainly hasn't been looking to seek and destroy for a long time now and that was one of the lamest assaults on Mayweather ever seen. Manny needs to look in the mirror, stop smiling and ask A LOT of questions. He is nearly 37. If he doesn't have it then walk away, but if he has then lay it on the line and show the world and do it for enough money to cover his team and just know he gave it his best shot. It's time for some post Clubber Laing evaluation. Jinkee needs to do an Adrien, look him in the eye and say 'Manny, what do you want?'.

I knew you wouldn't keep your word and leave the forum.

Thanks for proving me right.You had to crawl back on your belly on a slimy wave of EXCUSES...

Floyd mesmerized that bitch.

That's why he was so ragged and footwork so shitty.

An immediate rematch sees Manny really getting worked over....Mayweather knows him now...he'd get all those excuses stuffed right up his ass.

Mayweather showed him what real footwork looks like.


Carlos Baldomir did better than Manny

[Gandalf]

When it comes to serious injuries, we do have to accept them regardless of who it is. If you can back it up and it is legit, then fair enough I say and yes, I would say that of Floyd Mayweather too. However, you shouldn't fight with one arm and Manny was wrong to go ahead with it. I guess on a scale that big, you are dealing with people taking time off of work and booking hotels etc. You are an economy in an of yourself and it's a tricky one. Personally, I would have cancelled, but that is because I think legacy is more important than some big wig coming to watch me. It was his call to make and I think the wrong one judging by the fallout and excuses. He might not get another chance and a year out will age him and he won't be the same. Maybe he thought that and decided to take a risk, but like I say, I think it was poor judgement.

Corvette, I have left the forum and returned more than all other posters combined. In this thread alone I have left and returned. You would need to be a mathematician to compile to the stats on me leaving.

[corvette]

Nice to hear from you Miles, I admire you taking the hit for we Pactards. I call myself that but I do much admire Floyd. If this stuff is true, that Mannys injury played a major part in his poor showing then a rematch might be interesting but I'm not sure, Manny already said he thought he won the fight so it looks like he is trying to have it both ways. I think it will come down to Money. If the powers that be think a rematch will generate big bucks I guess it's possible, but if the injury is real and Manny needs surgery they are talking about him being out for nine months. In the end, I think Manny should just chalk this up to the loss it was, get himself fixed up and decide if he should continue fighting.

Swtich it around.

Would you believe any of this if it were Mayweather taking pictures in a sling.?

Just switch it around the other way.

I'm sure you'd be calling him a sore-losing bitch.

Pac didn't say shit about his shoulder during the post fight interview.
He came back a day later with an excuse....like a dirty cop.....

When other fighters get hurt during a bout they ALWAYS mention it right after the fight....not the next day.


Mayweather didn't wait the next day when he hurt his shoulder against Castillo.

[IamInuit]

The injury report is a crock and lets face it its not beyond possible that Manny had his political career on the line in this fight and realized he wanted to retire halfway through it. He now goes in and has a bone spur removed via elective surgery and ties it to the fight.

Why would you even consider going through with a fight of this magnitude with a serious shoulder problem? How does the shoulder explain his feet being frozen and his head appearing to have no neck?
His entire after boxing life rested on this fight and he got humbled anyway you want to dress it up.

Oh and here is more news from the NSAC.

LAS VEGAS (AP) — Manny Pacquiao could face disciplinary action from Nevada boxing officials for failing to disclose a shoulder injury before his fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Nevada Athletic Commission chairman Francisco Aguilar said Monday that the state attorney general's office will look at why Pacquiao checked "no" a day before the fight on a commission questionnaire asking if he had a shoulder injury.

"We will gather all the facts and follow the circumstances," Aguilar said. "At some point we will have some discussion. As a licensee of the commission you want to make sure fighters are giving you up-to-date information."


Pacquiao could face a possible fine or suspension for not answering the question accurately on a form he filled out just before Friday's weigh-in. He would go on to lose a unanimous decision to Mayweather in the richest fight ever.

Meanwhile, orthopedic surgeon Dr. Neal ElAttrache told ESPN.com that Pacquiao will undergo surgery later this week to repair a "significant tear" in his rotator cuff. ElAttrache examined Pacquiao on Monday at his Kerlan Jobe Orthopedics office in Los Angeles.

Pacquiao's promoter put out a statement on behalf of the fighter late Monday afternoon saying that the injury was disclosed to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which approved the use of an anti-inflammatory shot for the fight. But USADA was only a third party to the fight, charged only with testing the fighters for banned substances in training and the night of the bout.

"We had no medical information, no MRIs, no documents," said Travis Tygart, who heads the USADA. "It was not an anti-doping issue. The real question is why his camp checked 'no' on the disclosure. Either they made a terrible mistake to not follow the rules or they were trying not to give information to the other side. I'm not sure there's a middle ground."

Tygart said his agency, which was hired by promoters to oversee drug testing for the bout, was contacted April 7 asking about the use of various substances and whether they were allowed under anti-doping rules. He said there was another call 10 days later asking about using a different substance, but that USADA was not told exactly what the treatments were for.

A little more than two hours before the fight, Pacquiao's corner asked Nevada regulators if he could be given a shot of Toradol, an anti-inflammatory. Aguilar denied it, saying the commission had no previous indication there was an injury and could not allow a shot in fairness to the Mayweather camp.

"Our job is to protect the health and safety of fighters and the integrity of the sport," Aguilar said. "We expect our fighters to be forthright."

Pacquiao said after the fight that his shoulder had improved and he was hopeful of fighting with the shot. He said it didn't bother him until the fourth round, when he hit Mayweather with a big left hand and went after him with a series of punches.

Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, said the shoulder was getting better by the day in training camp.

"We thought at one time we'd postpone the fight, but as the weeks went on it was getting better and I was happy with his performance," Roach said. "I thought the progress was good enough."

Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett said Pacquiao filled out the form himself and understood the questions. A copy of the form was posted earlier on the True.Ink website, signed by both Pacquiao and his manager, Michael Koncz.

"It's not just the fact he didn't fill out the question completely, it was that he wasn't honest and they didn't tell us a month ago when he had the shoulder injury," Bennett said. "They're not obligated to, but two hours before the fight they wanted a shot that's a pain killer in essence. That put us in a very precarious position."

In the statement released by Pacquiao's camp, they said Pacquiao decided to proceed with the fight even without the shot.

"As Manny has said multiple times, he makes no excuses," the statement read. "Manny gave it his best."

Premeditation- the action of planning something beforehand which could also include an excuse.

[Dark Lord Al]

I just cannot help myself with my addictive, narcissistic personality and all. You know, Andre. I feel really bad for all those people who spent a lot of money on the PPV, the tickets, even paying for a flipping weigh in just to have Manny grinning in the ring and then moaning about a shoulder injury afterwards. How can you grin in the ring and then claim an injury? You should be furious, angry, driven if you fight or else more sensible in calling it off if you are injured. Manny has only himself to blame in that regard. I think he has done a giant poop on himself and his reputation with this. However, that was far from the Manny Pac we have seen over the years, it wasn't even close and I think that was obvious. In terms of aesthetics I want to see the best against the best at their best and when one fighter is disabled, it really does detract from it all.

Personally, I don't care for the circus or the money. I watched the fight for free, I am not massively invested in either fighter, but I want to see the best fight the best. Heck, Manny should do it for free if he is serious. I've never understood why people get so interested in the money side of things. As a man you have to make a point and that is all it ever comes down to for me. There is more to life than pantomime and money and in this instance I want to see a man with two arms fight another man with two arms. Let the greedy take all the money, it would also show us what really motivates Manny Pac too. Legacy or money? He needs to rise from the dead and money should not be the object, it should be faith. Manny lost a lot of faith with the performance and by taking the money with an obvious injury he needs to redeem himself.

I'm not so sure Floyd feels the same having banked his 200,000,000 million on the back of an easy nights work. Why take the risk, eh? It was already taken and a free injury too. Floyd is no Barrera or Morales.

Please don't bother to feel sorry for anyone , its only you who cares either way. I bought the fight and it went pretty much as I thought , that is life get over it.

[ruthless rocco]

According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, NSAC chairman Francisco Aguilar has asked the state attorney general’s office to look into whether Pacquiao committed perjury by signing a pre-fight medical questionnaire where “no” was checked to the question “Have you had any injury to your shoulders, elbows, or hands that needed evaluation or examination? If yes, explain.”

from fightnews article... http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/pacq...nd-nsac-289531

[Gandalf]

I just cannot help myself with my addictive, narcissistic personality and all. You know, Andre. I feel really bad for all those people who spent a lot of money on the PPV, the tickets, even paying for a flipping weigh in just to have Manny grinning in the ring and then moaning about a shoulder injury afterwards. How can you grin in the ring and then claim an injury? You should be furious, angry, driven if you fight or else more sensible in calling it off if you are injured. Manny has only himself to blame in that regard. I think he has done a giant poop on himself and his reputation with this. However, that was far from the Manny Pac we have seen over the years, it wasn't even close and I think that was obvious. In terms of aesthetics I want to see the best against the best at their best and when one fighter is disabled, it really does detract from it all.

Personally, I don't care for the circus or the money. I watched the fight for free, I am not massively invested in either fighter, but I want to see the best fight the best. Heck, Manny should do it for free if he is serious. I've never understood why people get so interested in the money side of things. As a man you have to make a point and that is all it ever comes down to for me. There is more to life than pantomime and money and in this instance I want to see a man with two arms fight another man with two arms. Let the greedy take all the money, it would also show us what really motivates Manny Pac too. Legacy or money? He needs to rise from the dead and money should not be the object, it should be faith. Manny lost a lot of faith with the performance and by taking the money with an obvious injury he needs to redeem himself.

I'm not so sure Floyd feels the same having banked his 200,000,000 million on the back of an easy nights work. Why take the risk, eh? It was already taken and a free injury too. Floyd is no Barrera or Morales.

Please don't bother to feel sorry for anyone , its only you who cares either way. I bought the fight and it went pretty much as I thought , that is life get over it.

True, but a hundred bucks is a lot of money and frankly neither of those two fighters were even worth a quarter of that. If it wasn't the spoiling, it was the low output. I think the average punter who paid to watch that should be a bit annoyed and more so by the shenanigans. Life goes on, but I like to see snakeoil salesmen face the guillotine. They would get their stories straight minus a paycheck and with the guillotine looming. There should be a rematch free of charge on FNF's as an apology for it all.