Meanwhile - In Boxing

[Primo Carnera]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

[Islington haye maker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

I don't disagree with a lot you say,but i thought he showed real heart in the super six at the time for a fighter who had been around the block, but never really got noticed till then. So i will always respect him for that.

Your right about bute, because no one gave froch a chance when that fight was made so at the time he still has to be given respect for that.
When you look at it really Froch win at Wembley was he's most emphatic and certainly not in the class of Calzaghe.

[erics44]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

I don't disagree with a lot you say,but i thought he showed real heart in the super six at the time for a fighter who had been around the block, but never really got noticed till then. So i will always respect him for that.

Your right about bute, because no one gave froch a chance when that fight was made so at the time he still has to be given respect for that.
When you look at it really Froch win at Wembley was he's most emphatic and certainly not in the class of Calzaghe.

froch was underdog in most of those fights

probly with exception of groves and dirrell

says a lot

p.s. froch beat dirrell

[Ron Swanson]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

I don't disagree with a lot you say,but i thought he showed real heart in the super six at the time for a fighter who had been around the block, but never really got noticed till then. So i will always respect him for that.

Your right about bute, because no one gave froch a chance when that fight was made so at the time he still has to be given respect for that.
When you look at it really Froch win at Wembley was he's most emphatic and certainly not in the class of Calzaghe.

froch was underdog in most of those fights

probly with exception of groves and dirrell

says a lot

p.s. froch beat dirrell

No he didn't. And it wasn't even very close. That's why everyone called it a robbery immediately.

[Fenster]

No problem if Ward doesn't want to fight Froch or vice versa - but Ward refuses to fight in front of 40,000 in a football ground, the biggest audience he will ever experience, because he believes he's big enough for 80,000 at Wembley.

He's clearly comfortable to stay in his hometown. And he is fighting (to quote him) the best guy at supermiddle, Paul Smith, other than the ducker Carl Froch. Fair play.