'88 Tyson DESTROYS '66 Ali

[El Kabong]

Clay was great in his era , but lots of fighters would have beaten him.

Name any fighter that would have even come close to beating Ali prior to his enforced 3 1/2 year lay off. There wasn't one
Remember we were robbed of seeing the prime Ali by politics. Ali wasn't the same fighter when he came back but he adapted & still beat them all.
Did you hear what Sonny Liston said after Clay-Liston 1 He said " They told me that boy couldn't punch... They LIED" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Joe Louis lost 3 years and it's hardly ever mentioned

[brocktonblockbust]

Ali probably out-octopuses Wladimir Klitschko for most deserved disqualifications for grabbing and holding and pulling behind the head. Its a toss-up, really between the 2 bums. Is all they were, really.

ali took so many crushing skull-shots from Frazier, Norton, Shavers, etc. he should have been banned from boxing by the Norton/Ali third fight. Just totally unnecessary and DEBILITATING head shots. Over and over. And clowning around, like an asshole. Watch Ali/Norton III. Totally disgusting.

George Foreman: "Ali NEVER beat Ken Norton."

FACT.

[TitoFan]

Well as much as this another "Ali hate thread" and I don't like participating in those.... I can't in good conscience say the thread title is wrong. Having said that, I think '88 Tyson destroys a lot of other past boxing champions, including Marciano.

[Beanflicker]

Well as much as this another "Ali hate thread" and I don't like participating in those.... I can't in good conscience say the thread title is wrong. Having said that, I think '88 Tyson destroys a lot of other past boxing champions, including Marciano.

I think you're right!

[El Kabong]

How'd Rocky get in this mix? Rocky was almost a light heavyweight so it's just erroneous to throw his name around with the bigger heavyweights and even Tyson had roughly 30 pounds on him. Rocky Marciano vs Bob Foster is a fair matchup, Rocky vs Michael Spinks, Rocky vs RJJ, etc. those are more valid.

Ali's footwork makes him hard for Tyson to track down and corner and even when Tyson does that Ali's very awkward and nontraditional head movement (leaning back instead of slipping side to side) makes it very difficult for Tyson to catch him. Tyson could go to the body but who went to the body successfully with Ali? Ali would fight to the death, Mike Tyson would fight hard, but there was quit in him I think there was more quit in Tyson than there ever was in Joe Frazier.

Ali would fuck Tyson mentally as well...."Is that all you got George", "What's my name?", "Don't you know I'm God"....these are things said during fights that threw off his opponents, I'm not sure Tyson could take that kind of needling.

I'm not saying Tyson is a bum, I'm saying he's just in for a HORRIBLE style matchup vs Ali...if Tucker and Smith last 12 then Ali makes 15 easy but wouldn't need to because he'd be winning rounds and Tyson would either foul out or get TKO'd.

[Master]

Just because Chuvalo landed punches does not mean Tyson would be allowed too against Ali. I think Ali will play mind games with Tyson and if Ali gets past the initial onslaught he could win. Tyson live was about to explode after 1988.

[Beanflicker]

if Tucker and Smith last 12 then Ali makes 15 easy

I don't think that's a good statement at all. Tucker and Smith had a lot of weight on '66 Ali.

But that aside... surviving against Tyson was a possibility. Tucker, Smith, Green, ect did it. But they were mostly in survival mode, giving away rounds to stay on their feet.

Surviving AND winning? Much harder. Tyson was an offensive whirlwind unlike anything Ali fought and Ali would end up taking some serious bombs.

[El Kabong]

Again, Ali is way too quick on his feet added in his reach and his defensive skills at that time plus his handspeed....I'm sorry Tyson may well beat a lot of champions, but Ali wouldn't have been one.

[AdamGB]

Ali probably out-octopuses Wladimir Klitschko for most deserved disqualifications for grabbing and holding and pulling behind the head. Its a toss-up, really between the 2 bums. Is all they were, really.

ali took so many crushing skull-shots from Frazier, Norton, Shavers, etc. he should have been banned from boxing by the Norton/Ali third fight. Just totally unnecessary and DEBILITATING head shots. Over and over. And clowning around, like an asshole. Watch Ali/Norton III. Totally disgusting.

George Foreman: "Ali NEVER beat Ken Norton."

FACT.

Another Ali hate thread, another post where you complain about Ali fighting dirty...

I should really call you a hypocrite for idolising one of the dirtiest heavyweight champions ever yet having the gile to complain about fighters that clinch a lot deserving to be DQ'd but I can't be bothered to get tagged in dozens of mental threads by you again!

[Beanz]

Ali probably out-octopuses Wladimir Klitschko for most deserved disqualifications for grabbing and holding and pulling behind the head. Its a toss-up, really between the 2 bums. Is all they were, really.

ali took so many crushing skull-shots from Frazier, Norton, Shavers, etc. he should have been banned from boxing by the Norton/Ali third fight. Just totally unnecessary and DEBILITATING head shots. Over and over. And clowning around, like an asshole. Watch Ali/Norton III. Totally disgusting.

George Foreman: "Ali NEVER beat Ken Norton."

FACT.

Say what you like, and I am no big fan of Ali or Klitschko, but if you really think they are both bums then you are being just as daft as people who think that they are TBE. Tyson was a great fighter but he is nothing like as great as some of his more rabid fans would have you believe.

[C.J.Rock]

Clay was great in his era , but lots of fighters would have beaten him.

Name any fighter that would have even come close to beating Ali prior to his enforced 3 1/2 year lay off. There wasn't one
Remember we were robbed of seeing the prime Ali by politics. Ali wasn't the same fighter when he came back but he adapted & still beat them all.
Did you hear what Sonny Liston said after Clay-Liston 1 He said " They told me that boy couldn't punch... They LIED" !!!!!!!!!!!!

Well Joe Louis lost 3 years and it's hardly ever mentioned

Joe did nothing but box when he was in the US army He was used for propaganda purposes he never stopped training & fighting exhibitions Ali was banned from even training & sparring for 3 1/2 years. If Ali had been inducted we know very well where he'd have been sent

[C.J.Rock]

The great part about all this is everyone has their own opinion one is no more important than the others. It wouldn't be fun if we all agreed on everything

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay

~ Fun-Filled Fact #16 ~

Cassius Clay {1st-Reign}, never fought a 'Young Buck'.

Could a younger Mike Tyson defeat a 24 year-old Cassius Clay.
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