Greats who fought in weak eras vs Good fighters who fought in great eras.

[Master]

All time great fighters like Leonard, Robinson, Jones, Chavez, Whitaker and Duran would be great in any era at their respective best weights. Good fighters like Hearns, Oscar and Hopkins could do great things in their time period dependant on competition.

The only distinction is they were beaten by great fighters when it mattered.

[Beanflicker]

I think the "weak eras" and "great eras" stuff is mostly bullshit. I do use it a lot myself but in reality nobody really has the knowledge to know how truly great an era was, who got ducked/didn't get a shot, how good the bit players were, ect. There's really no way to quantify the quality of an era with any reasonable degree of accuracy.

I think it's just fair to say if you were great in your era, you get your ATG status. If you want to start ranking the ATGs, it's best to use the eye test IMO. And if you fought before the advent of cameras, go fuck yourself.

[mrbig1]

Jerry Quarry fought in the era of Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Norton,Lyle and others. He belongs in the HOF.

[X]

So does Butterbean, he fought in the era of Tyson, Holyfield, Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer etc.

[TitoFan]

Weak Era Poster Child: Wladimir Klitschko

[mikeeod]

All time great fighters like Leonard, Robinson, Jones, Chavez, Whitaker and Duran would be great in any era at their respective best weights. Good fighters like Hearns, Oscar and Hopkins could do great things in their time period dependant on competition.

The only distinction is they were beaten by great fighters when it mattered.

You don't consider Hearns and Hop ATGs? In his prime Tommy only lost to Leonard (in a fight he was winning handily) and Hagler (up at 160), both ATGs themselves. He destroyed Cuevas and Duran, although Roberto was above his ideal fighting weight.

Hop has some significant records and historical wins over tough competition. He lost to Roy and drew with Mercado while he was still green, and was ripped off vs. Taylor and barely lost to Joe C. while just past his prime. Definitely respect your opinion but have to disagree with you on those two being "only" good fighters. Actually, after the murderers row that Oscar fought, disagree with him being "good" only.

[Master]

All time great fighters like Leonard, Robinson, Jones, Chavez, Whitaker and Duran would be great in any era at their respective best weights. Good fighters like Hearns, Oscar and Hopkins could do great things in their time period dependant on competition.

The only distinction is they were beaten by great fighters when it mattered.

You don't consider Hearns and Hop ATGs? In his prime Tommy only lost to Leonard (in a fight he was winning handily) and Hagler (up at 160), both ATGs themselves. He destroyed Cuevas and Duran, although Roberto was above his ideal fighting weight.

Hop has some significant records and historical wins over tough competition. He lost to Roy and drew with Mercado while he was still green, and was ripped off vs. Taylor and barely lost to Joe C. while just past his prime. Definitely respect your opinion but have to disagree with you on those two being "only" good fighters. Actually, after the murderers row that Oscar fought, disagree with him being "good" only.

OK I will concede Hearns is an ATG but not Hopkins and Oscar.

The golden boy was a very good fighter who faced the best fighters but lost the big fights. Hopkins was a very good fighter too but not ATG and I would include James Toney in that as well.

[Beanflicker]

Hopkins not an ATG? Wow! What's the basis?

[Master]

Hopkins not an ATG? Wow! What's the basis?

He got beat by an real ATG

[Beanflicker]

Not only is B-Hop and ATG, he's among the elite of the ATGs.

[mikeeod]

Hopkins not an ATG? Wow! What's the basis?

He got beat by an real ATG

If u think about it, so did Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Armstrong...etc. Some of them were beaten by non ATGs. Can't see leaving Hop out of the top 20 at this point, but I'm biased.

[Master]

Hopkins not an ATG? Wow! What's the basis?

He got beat by an real ATG

If u think about it, so did Leonard, Robinson, Ali, Armstrong...etc. Some of them were beaten by non ATGs. Can't see leaving Hop out of the top 20 at this point, but I'm biased.

You are bias.

Who did Robinson lose at his peak? Leonard avenged his defeat.