"Ali hate"..... what's the point??

[Bill Paxtom]

Lt. Col. Peter Dewey

The 1st American Soldier to die {shot and killed} in Vietnam.

I wonder how many of the Viet Cong called him 'a nigger'.

[TitoFan]

How is that even an argument, Bill?

Never mind.....

[Bill Paxtom]

How is that even an argument, Bill?

Never mind.....

TitoFan

It takes a deep intellect to understand the 'angle' on that one.

I believe that post is 'too deep' for you.
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"Of course I played the 'dumb blonde' in all those movies. They see a pretty blonde,
and automatically assume that I'm ditzy, and a 'Fucking' moron."

Judy Holliday

IQ .... '172' .. Very Superior Intelligence

[TitoFan]

[brocktonblockbust]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

[Bill Paxtom]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

If you really 'Peel the Onion',

Most will realize that Cassius Clay was an 'ingrate'.
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"I never thought much of Cassius Clay. After 5-Minutes, I found him to be dull and quite boring."

Hedy Lamar

[Mr140]

Wait Wait Wait you guys are calling a person a coward for not going to some bull shit war when they said Ali was to dumb to join the army the first go around and when he is champ they draft him. Say what you want but Ali felt the war was against what he believed in and served his time wtf is cowardly about that nothing. You know what i call a person who goes to war for a country who treats them like they are low class i call them a fucking drone and nothing noble about that. Ali clowned people with Frazier i am not so sure how much was real and how much was bullshit. Patterson got what he got he was being disrespectful to Ali and he got it right back as for Liston fucker was gangster who was a mobster so i could careless talking shit on that guy kill you in a heart beat and not think about. Anyone one saying coward must have some balls what would you do if you had to go to war for a country that hated you and it was against what you believed in tell me everyone calling him a coward what would you do. Also as for you bill got to tell me did Ali fuck your girlfriend or wife or something did you walk in on it or what got to know.

[Master]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

What else you going to bring up? Ali trained with Archie Moore and had a lot of respect for him.

[Beanflicker]

[brocktonblockbust]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

What else you going to bring up? Ali trained with Archie Moore and had a lot of respect for him.

THAT IS PURE bull. Archie Moore gave an interview to Howard Cosell saying in HIS gym where clay trained, they had rules that all boxers pitched in and helped clean up and cook and wash dishes in the kitchen. He said cassius clay was too arrogant and refused to help around the gym, refused to clean up and wash dishes, etc.. AND THAT HE DIDNT LIKE CLAY'S ATTITUDE. @Master have you not heard all these things about clay?

[Beanflicker]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

What else you going to bring up? Ali trained with Archie Moore and had a lot of respect for him.

THAT IS PURE bull. Archie Moore gave an interview to Howard Cosell saying in HIS gym where clay trained, they had rules that all boxers pitched in and helped clean up and cook and wash dishes in the kitchen. He said cassius clay was too arrogant and refused to help around the gym, refused to clean up and wash dishes, etc.. AND THAT HE DIDNT LIKE CLAY'S ATTITUDE. @Master have you not heard all these things about clay?

Brock is 100% right, George Plimpton went into that in his book "Shadow Box", which is a great read for any boxing fan.

[Bill Paxtom]

Archie Moore

"Cassius has talent, no doubt about it. But he's all about himself, and does not offer
a helping hand, not only to me but the other fine boxers here."

"That shows me that he has no gratitude."

"Look, the 'Faversham Group' asked me to take Clay in. I didn't want this kid here in the
first place. I don't have time to 'Baby Sit' him, and tell him that he's good. I'm trying to
help out '10' other kids here."

"Yes he's 'selfish' . I can't just keep telling him that he's good every hour."
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"What's wrong with that. I needed be told everyday that I was 'beautiful'. At least '5' times an hour."

Loni Anderson

[Master]

Cassius Clay called Archie Moore all kinds of insulting names and openly mocked him. Moore was 48 and clay was 24 then.

Archie Moore was perhaps the most kind, interesting. entrepreneurial, good hearted, humble man boxing has ever seen. who in their right mind would want to disrespect the great iconic Archie Moore?

Where was clays respect for his elders?

What else you going to bring up? Ali trained with Archie Moore and had a lot of respect for him.

THAT IS PURE bull. Archie Moore gave an interview to Howard Cosell saying in HIS gym where clay trained, they had rules that all boxers pitched in and helped clean up and cook and wash dishes in the kitchen. He said cassius clay was too arrogant and refused to help around the gym, refused to clean up and wash dishes, etc.. AND THAT HE DIDNT LIKE CLAY'S ATTITUDE. @Master have you not heard all these things about clay?

Brock is 100% right, George Plimpton went into that in his book "Shadow Box", which is a great read for any boxing fan.

I have read Ali's book where he learnt many positive skills training with Moore and he always had a lot of respect for him.

[Master]

Not many for obvious reasons, Bill you prat.

[Bill Paxtom]

1967

Carl Walker, Assistant District Attorney "United States', who helped prosecute Cassius Clay.

Mr. Carl Walker {who was black}, stated,

"Cassius Clay changed his story several times. First it was because of his religious beliefs.
Then it was because he was a good citizen in America, and was an honorable man. Then he
wanted a deferment because he had several upcoming Championship bouts lined up."

"Then it was the Muslim faith. Then he claimed to be a Minister."

"I didn't believe him at all. But I didn't make the Decision, I only presented a case. The
'Jury' of 6 men and 6 women found him guilty."

"That is our system, good, bad or indifferent. Did I make my points, Yes I think I did."
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"Yes, you did make a 'point'. Two of them are good enough for me"

Kim Novak