Weaknesses of shoulder roll.

[SugarBoxing]

I never really study shoulder roll, but facts are

1. Leonard showed the way
2. Oscar, Miadana and Castilio were quite effective
3. This is serious: Floyd faced many punchers, people with good one or two signature punches, but he never really faced a real flurry puncher who had the technique & power of Tyson or SRR or SRL, I mean this:

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Oscar / Castilio had the technique, but lacked power
Maidana 1 had the power, but technique wise he was sloppy

[Sleepwalker]

I never really study shoulder roll, but facts are

1. Leonard showed the way
2. Oscar, Miadana and Castilio were quite effective
3. This is serious: Floyd faced many punchers, people with good one or two signature punches, but he never really faced a real flurry puncher who had the technique & power of Tyson or SRR or SRL, I mean this:

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Oscar / Castilio had the technique, but lacked power
Maidana 1 had the power, but technique wise he was sloppy

I was amazed at how grungy Maidana was yet he was still able to keep the fight close.

I'm sure this had to drive ATGs like JCC and Duran nuts if they were watching

[Master]

Great and insightful posts now for me to lower the intellectual discussion and say that B Hop, James Toney also used it and was stolen from Jersey Joe Walcott who had it mastered.

The defence does not work with southpaws as much which is why Floyd does not like facing them and gets hurt with the good ones he faces.

Tall fighters with jabs can pick Floyd off and it has no value against them.

Shorter fighters should jab to the body or feint and then throw the combinations left hooks and looping fight hands anywhere so long as they land on his body.

Punches below the belt and kidney also help antagonise the fraud especially now that he is older and has no legs.

You do have to watch out for his counter right hand which is a natural attack and leave yourself open to it. However Floyd does not punch hard and it is worth the sacrifice to get your punches in.

[Beanflicker]

Mastered, my ass. Floyd, James Toney and Bhop would have rolled that Marciano Susie Q and came back with an uppercut.

The only thing that rolled was Walcott's eyes into the back of his head.

[greynotsoold]

Mike McCallum used it. Alexis Arguello, too. Eddie Futch taught it to every fighter he trained.

[ono]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

[Beanflicker]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

Nah man all you have to do is jab and just keep throwing punches. If you keep throwing punches and never stop he'll just keep rolling and defending and you can win a UD.

[mikeeod]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

I think plenty of world class fighters have found weaknesses in it, it's just that Floyd is extremely versatile and does many things great in that ring. Broner is a prime example. He uses the shoulder roll very effectively. His problem is that he doesn't use all the other weapons/abilities/assets that Floyd does do guys figure him out and land clean.

[SugarBoxing]

If couple of dozen world class fighters haven't managed to find a weakness in it, i doubt anybody on Saddo's will

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[Ron Swanson]

People seem to be mistaking weaknesses in fighters for weaknesses in the shoulder roll defense.

If you jab to the chest/body the shoulder roller will parry with the power hand allowing a quick shot behind the jab.

Opposite stance fighters can come around the shoulder with a straight shot so you don't see southpaws employ it because they would open themselves to the straight right. And righties who employ the roll will have a harder time with southpaws.

The weaknesses are opened up by a jab(why Manny will never and would never have a chance against Floyd, like Shane never would have, no jab) like most defenses are opened up by a jab. So is it really even a weakness? Or is a jab just critical in boxing when you are at the highest level? I say a jab is simply critical.

Like someone mentioned earlier, get the roller moving and different parts will become available at different times to different shots. Then it is a question of if you can get to those before the roller can adjust to defend. No defense is perfect but no defense has to be perfect.