1991 George Foreman KNOCKS OUT 1991 Mike Tyson

[Master]

I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

[El Kabong]

I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

And you were saying "A peak Tyson"....in 1991 Mike Tyson wasn't ripping off combinations, he wasn't moving his head all the time, he was a knock out or get knocked out fighter. I don't see Tyson knocking out any version of George Foreman. Tyson's best bet, his very best bet would be to out point an old Foreman....but I don't think he was psychologically strong enough to do that and I don't think he trained hard enough to earn a win like that.

But hey you see it your way I see it my way, I just think with everything Tyson went through it was more fresh in his mind than it was in George's mind and I see that hurting Tyson.

[Master]

I defiantly understand where you are coming from Foreman had a sold chin but even this version of Tyson could put some damage on George. A peak Tyson would not have stood in front of George. Tyson punched and moved from different sides. George would try and push Tyson back but that would not cause Mike the distress it cause Frazier because Tyson had more to his skills than Joe.

Really? Foreman steered Frazier not because Frazier was unskilled, it was because Frazier was rushing in and Foreman turned him, pivoted, and let the bombs go before Joe had reset himself. Tyson might have quicker feet but again Foreman had the longer arms, longer reach, it would be like the Falkland Islands.....Foreman would set up outside of Tyson's range and let loose on him....could Tyson bob and weave his way inside....maybe but there George can tie him up and lean on him or ole Tyson to the side the way he did Joe and the manner in which he did that gave Frazier no chance to retaliate, it threw him off balance and he had to completely reset and work his way back in vs George. Tyson used angles, yes, but he was NEVER a fighter who fought going backwards like an Ali or Lennox Lewis, or Klitschko brother....Tyson was never the stick and move sweet science guy. Did he have good defense? Sure, but his defense was a high guard and head movement, not using his footwork to get out of the way. Similarly Joe Frazier was never a guy that used footwork to get out of the way it was a Philly Shell/Cross block defense and continuous headmovement.

Tyson would connect on Foreman, but at GREAT risk to being caught on the way in...and on the way in Tyson would have to avoid the 1-2 of Foreman and once in Tyson would have to avoid the uppercut. Once inside how does Tyson work out? Tyson would typically rip off a combination and tie up or if the combination did damage he'd circle to a side to let loose another combination....tying up vs any version of Foreman is bad news simply because he's bigger and stronger. Circling out even vs a hurt Foreman is tough because he had KO power in both hands and he could unload a punch that even if blocked would knock you so badly off balance that it would give George the chance to load up for another one.

You are describing a young Foreman, this old George was slower and more vulnerable.

And you were saying "A peak Tyson"....in 1991 Mike Tyson wasn't ripping off combinations, he wasn't moving his head all the time, he was a knock out or get knocked out fighter. I don't see Tyson knocking out any version of George Foreman. Tyson's best bet, his very best bet would be to out point an old Foreman....but I don't think he was psychologically strong enough to do that and I don't think he trained hard enough to earn a win like that.

But hey you see it your way I see it my way, I just think with everything Tyson went through it was more fresh in his mind than it was in George's mind and I see that hurting Tyson.

Agreed it was not a peak Tyson who did throw devastating combinations but he was not that far off that he could not fight good hard 12 rounds. That is why I think it would possibly go the distance but Tyson could stop a bruised and battered Old George Foreman.