1991 George Foreman KNOCKS OUT 1991 Mike Tyson

[Master]

Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing No problem for him.

He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney. The eye test should tell you that while Tyson was impressive vs scared fighters and/or guys with weak chins, he lost interest and became discouraged after 6 or 7 rounds. When guys were still fighting back after 6 or 7 and trying to win, he lost. George makes it 6 or 7 for sure and is still trying to knock his head off. George in the later rounds by knockout.

Match Tyson against Ken Norton, Alex Stewart, Tommy Morrison, Michael Moorer, Jeremy Williams...etc., and the guy will look unbeatable. Put him in with Evander, George Foreman, Ali...etc., n he gets beat. Styles make fights.

Tyson could fight past 6 rounds, Tucker was an good example of fighting at a good intense pace for 12 rounds. Foreman did tire as well and was not renowned for his great stamina.

[El Kabong]

Frazier actually bobbed more than Tyson. George had good timing No problem for him.

He bobbed up and down, which left him open for the uppercut!

Tyson went side to side, where Foreman's punches would slide by the wayside.

Well if we're talking Prime v Prime then Foreman would utilize the hooks and overhand right. Also the uppercut would still be in play as Foreman moved himself into position to land them. Frazier's up and down head movement was accompanied by his hands moving to slip punches off the sides of his guard....Foreman just landed with such authority blocking the punches was an exercise in futility.

Now Old vs veteran Tyson....George allows Tyson to throw, he fires back with 1-2 big shots in retaliation, but allows Tyson to tire himself out. Lots of pitter patting with the right and left just touching up Tyson, bothering him, making him move his head, making him work his way in, and then comes the 1-2...there's a pause in the action and big uppercut comes in. Older Foreman paces himself, covers up well, lands not often, but EFFECTIVELY and if he catches you coming in then nobody is waking you back up.

[Beanflicker]

Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney.

Bonecrusher Smith, Blood Green and Tony Tucker off the top of my head. You can watch all those fights on Youtube, and you'll see that Mike would still slip punches with side to side head movement and use it to come in. Did he use it as prominently as he did perhaps in the earlier rounds? Probably not, but I don't remember him abandoning it completely.

[Beanflicker]

Well if we're talking Prime v Prime then Foreman would utilize the hooks and overhand right. Also the uppercut would still be in play as Foreman moved himself into position to land them. Frazier's up and down head movement was accompanied by his hands moving to slip punches off the sides of his guard....Foreman just landed with such authority blocking the punches was an exercise in futility.

Now Old vs veteran Tyson....George allows Tyson to throw, he fires back with 1-2 big shots in retaliation, but allows Tyson to tire himself out. Lots of pitter patting with the right and left just touching up Tyson, bothering him, making him move his head, making him work his way in, and then comes the 1-2...there's a pause in the action and big uppercut comes in. Older Foreman paces himself, covers up well, lands not often, but EFFECTIVELY and if he catches you coming in then nobody is waking you back up.

In what world does a 6'4'', 80" reach Foreman utilize an overhand right against a 5'10'' CROUCHING peek-a-boo style fighter who also tends to dip to each side when coming in? I can't even picture it.

If Foreman did any work against Tyson it would be with the jab, straight right, that right kidney punch he threw and that great left uppercut he threw on the inside.

[mikeeod]

Show me/name one fight where Tyson maintained his head movement/bob and weave past the sixth round, even when he was with Kevin Rooney.

Bonecrusher Smith, Blood Green and Tony Tucker off the top of my head. You can watch all those fights on Youtube, and you'll see that Mike would still slip punches with side to side head movement and use it to come in. Did he use it as prominently as he did perhaps in the earlier rounds? Probably not, but I don't remember him abandoning it completely.

We remember those fights differently then. Mike was frustrated and in the bonecrusher fight and slowed down In the mid to late rounds of the Tucker fight. No one can keep that frenetic pace (punches and head movement) for twelve rounds, especially at the speed and power Tyson worked at. George had issues with taller boxers who had effective jabs and moved laterally (or rolled well with his punches off the ropes) and excelled against guys who came at him. Tyson had issues with larger men who could take his punches (Tucker, Smith, Douglas, Lewis...etc) and excelled at guys he intimidated or could stretch with one punch (Spinks, Seldon, Bruno, Stewart...etc). I respect the different opinions, just see things differently than you guys do, I guess. Don't think I'm biased on this one though, I think both guys are/were great...

[Beanflicker]

Bro you gotta watch those fights again, go on Youtube and skip to the 7th round of each, Tyson was moving his head. He'd start fighting in spurts like anyone else but he was never a sitting duck for punishment (except in the Douglas fight). He could get frustrated and resigned to the fact that he couldn't get a particular guy out of there, but he was always winning those rounds. I never saw him give up.

George was a big dude and would have some serious weight on Tyson and definitely could have got to Tyson. I just don't see Foreman as the unstoppable wrecking ball that you guys do. If the Morrison fight had never happened, and I came on here and told you that Tommy Morrison would have whipped Foreman and won just about every round, you'd say I was crazy, Morrison was not a great boxer, didn't have great defence, had a glass jaw and never would have made round 6th with George. Foreman had his flaws and he struggled hard when he stepped up in competition.

[El Kabong]

Again Tommy Morrison didn't fight like Tommy Morrison when he fought Foreman. ...he boxed, he moved. Things that were NEVER in Tyson's repertoire.

As for the overhand right...Tyson bobs and weaves, yes but that slows over the course of a fight and fighters can start to time their opponents.

If Foreman got past 3 rounds vs Tyson then Foreman would have KO'd Tyson.

[brocktonblockbust]

@Beanflicker
@El Kabong

George Foreman was and still is a freak, his power is indescribable, his chin was better than Tyson's or Ali's. Tyson is not going to knock out George Foreman. Ron Lyle knocked Goerge Foreman down 3 times for 5 and 6 counts, once for an 8 count, and staggered him another half dozen times. ANY OTHER FIGHTER BESIDES FOREMAN would have been knocked cold by Lyle's shots.

Mike Tyson didn't hit as hard as people like to think. Larry Holmes said that EARNIE SHAVERS HIT MUCH HARDER THAN TYSON, that when Shavers hit him and knocked him down it was "like those old time flash bulb cameras, all I saw was this bright white flash and I don't remember anything until the ref was saying "Five! Six!".

But Holmes said Tyson's power came mostly from his incredible hand-speed, that it was more the surprise of the shot than the sheer brute force of the shot that Tyson benefited from. Foreman's left jab is about 20 times more powerful than Tyson's left jab. George Foreman staggered Evander Holyfield with a single left jab in their fight.

ANY George Foreman 1973 or 1991 IS THE WRONG STYLE MATCH-UP for Mike Tyson the Midget.

[Beanflicker]

Mike Tyson didn't hit as hard as people like to think. Larry Holmes said that EARNIE SHAVERS HIT MUCH HARDER THAN TYSON, that when Shavers hit him and knocked him down it was "like those old time flash bulb cameras, all I saw was this bright white flash and I don't remember anything until the ref was saying "Five! Six!".

There's the big point though: Earnie Shavers' punch couldn't stop Holmes, but Tyson battered him around the ring and knocked him out cold in 4 rounds.

Tyson didn't have the raw strength of Shavers or Foreman, that's true, but he was a MUCH better puncher than those guys, because he had the speed and the combinations.

So is Tyson's punch as hard as Shavers, Foreman, or Lyle, when you're looking at one punch? Maybe not, but Tyson hits you with 2 or 3 punches in the time it takes those three to hit you with one punch. Tyson's speed and timing also means he's hitting you with punches that you don't see coming. It's like Manny Pacquaio: it's not that he was the heaviest handed guy in the division, but guys get hit with punches they don't see coming and they go down.

[Master]

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

[El Kabong]

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

[Beanflicker]

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

If Morrison could, why not Tyson?

[Master]

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

Anyone caught with Foreman's power at that age deserves to be knocked out.

[El Kabong]

Tyson's power could knock out Foreman, especially an old slow one at that.

What of Foreman's power? How would Tyson handle that?

Anyone caught with Foreman's power at that age deserves to be knocked out.

So let's say this fight goes at least 8 rounds....Would Foreman hurt Tyson? Would he knock Tyson down? I mean he rocked the shit out of Holyfield and obviously Evander had a great chin....but if he rocked Tyson and Mike staggered a bit and Foreman threw with ill intentions what would happen?

[Beanflicker]

At some point Foreman would undoubtedly hit Tyson very hard, and Tyson would think "holy shit this old guy hits hard"... but if Holyfield, Stewart, Morrison, ect could get hit and keep going, why not Iron Mike? He had a world class chin.