Chisora v Ustinov July 11th Manchester

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Haye didnt clean up at Cruiser. He avoided Steve Cunningham who had the IBF belt and lost to Thompson!!

Chisora has been competitive with every fighter he's fought bar Fury in their rematch. No matter how many rounds he loses his opponent has to work to win them.

He would have done better than Haye against Valuev because he actually throws punches and can move his head and likes to fight. Valuev is a dunce. Haye doesnt fight and dont mention Wlad, hes not a win for Haye.

Barrett and Ruiz are the kind of opponents Fury would get shit for even mentioning

And thats Hayes heavyweight career right there

Fury wont be losing to Klitschko

You have a short memory. Haye didn't avoid Cunningham. Cunningham didn't even call for a fight with Haye. Haye was struggling with the weight and was going to move up after beating Mormeck but was implored to take the Maccarinelli fight so took it. Chisora was not competative against Haye. Haye won every single round while Chisora came forward, with poor head movement in straight lines and Haye did not miss. Nobody stopped Ruiz until Haye and was a former world champion. Has Fury ever been in with a former Heavyweight title holder? And bringing up the loss to Thompson in his 11th fight? Fury wasn't fighting former world champions that early in his career.

How long have you been watching boxing?

This makes your whole argument invalid as you have no knowledge of boxing to base any opinion on.

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You have a short memory. Haye didn't avoid Cunningham. Cunningham didn't even call for a fight with Haye. Haye was struggling with the weight and was going to move up after beating Mormeck but was implored to take the Maccarinelli fight so took it. Chisora was not competative against Haye. Haye won every single round while Chisora came forward, with poor head movement in straight lines and Haye did not miss. Nobody stopped Ruiz until Haye and was a former world champion. Has Fury ever been in with a former Heavyweight title holder? And bringing up the loss to Thompson in his 11th fight? Fury wasn't fighting former world champions that early in his career.

How long have you been watching boxing?

Fair play, I forgot all about the Tua fight. Tua was a bomber though who took out most. Ruiz proved his durability against plenty of top fighters.

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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports

He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck.

I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....

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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports

He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck.

I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....

Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ. You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.

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@ross your assessment of the chisora haye fight isnt how i saw it

chisora was pressuring him yes but landed next to nothing

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Its the old trick of lording the fighters that fury has beaten , to make him sound so much better.

His best wins -
Chisora blasted out by Haye.
Johnson blasted out be the novice Joshua.
Cunningham a former CW giving away 40lbs.
None of the above are punchers at top level , so lets face it fury has been carefully matched to get his rating and to protect the dodgy chin.

FACT!

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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports

He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck.

I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....

Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ. You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.

Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?

Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!

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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports

He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck.

I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....

Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ. You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.

Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?

Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!

He meant chased down as in pursued the fight, for fucks sake

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Oh and Cunningham was calling out Haye Cunningham calls out Haye | Boxing News | Sky Sports

He never cleaned up cruiser. Cleaning up means beating the majority of the contenders or top ten. Haye only fought 2! There was Adamek, Cunningham, Bell, Braithwaite, Huck.

I dont think you forgot about Ruiz getting sparked by Tua. I think you had to google.....

Braithwaite was beaten by Macca who then got bombed out in 2 by Haye so what would be the point of Braithwaite? Bell disappeared off the radar after Mormeck beat him. Adamek had his first Cruiserwight fight after Haye moved up in weight. Huck had lost to Cunningham and wasn't world level at that point. Cunningham was the only logical fight left at Cruiser and there was no money in it. Did Don King call Haye and make him an offer? It is hardly ducking if you're taking a bigger challenge against bigger, heavier and more skilled punchers. The money was at Heavy and he'd won 3/4 titles, beaten the #1 guy and become the lineal champ. You question my boxing knowledge but you think a guy that chased down Wladimir Klitschko ducked Steve Cunningham? Explain the logic in that one.

Your showing yourself up again. Did you even watch that rubbish?

Haye didnt chase down Wlad, it was the other way round. Haye "fought" Wlad the same as he did Harrison for the first couple if rounds and Valuev. Just not doing alot and skirting the ring. Haye was so poor he actually got warned becuase he kept throwing himself on the floor!

He meant chased down as in pursued the fight, for fucks sake

Ok then, ill revise my reply.

Cunningham would not give the rewards that Wlad would and Cunningham had just knocked out Huck and scared Haye up a weight.

He thought he could chin Wlad quick like Sanders did. His whole career was based off of watching that fight and trying to get Wlad which is why he has no interest in fighting any other good heavies that dont have multiple losses which is why he avoided Tyson.