gay marriage in the US

[walrus]

Nice sentiments Miles. The thing that gets me about beanz is he takes such offense to those who express different ideas to his political beliefs yet things nothing of doing so to others. It's all good, we should express our opinions but should be mindful we don't do to others that which we don't like done to us. Andre puzzles me, at one moment he reports he has done Christian volunteer work in Africa, a very noble act I must say, but then speaks rather negatively on Christianity.

I was part of the continuation of the Desposni churches work there, not Christian,although I was early in my life and went to a Christian bible college by my own means and studied scripture there.

Im against the Roman take over of what was once a love based church of followers,to this day they are still against us because we claim their God of fear is the false worship as warned about and the moving of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday as warned about also in scripture is wholly their doing.

The Sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.

Read on,Its not a book of excuses.

not quite sure what that comment means. There is an interesting passage in Collossians 2: 16-17. They seem to lean more to celebrating the resurrection and meeting/breaking bread (institution of the Eucharist) on Sundays as it was the day Christ rose. From very early on the topic was addressed by several saints. I found several interesting writings including from one of my favorites, Augustine. However, what you say is not without merit. I found the passage I mentioned in Collissians very interesting. It seems the solemnity for the early Christians was changing to the day of the risen Christ.I always enjoy these topics mostly when they become discussions not arguments. To me, the highest form of thought is theology. I'm not big on preaching but I did have two people close to me convert to Catholicism through our discussions. I don't take credit for that but that is where our discussions led. I had a good friend who was Islamic and man we had some great discussions. Sure, we both came from the point of few where we felt we were both right but we had respect for each other and each other's faith. There are some intense versus in the Koran about killing the non believer but there are others about letting him go on his way. He couldn't always reconcile the two for me but none the less we learned a lot from each other.

I think its hard to reconcile the differences in all scripture writings whatever the religion;Thats why I said they are not a book of excuses (so people can point to a verse and say see I can kill or see I can judge,or I can change ceremony, names, dates etc to our human needs. I think the stories run deeper into situations and outcomes than single verse or chapters to justify ones actions or lack of.

Understood, but I was not trying to justify or reason anything, I was seeking to understand @Andre, that is why I pointed out another scripture worrying and referenced writings from the early church fathers on the subject. I don't know if you are familiar with the verse I cited.

[Andre]

Nice sentiments Miles. The thing that gets me about beanz is he takes such offense to those who express different ideas to his political beliefs yet things nothing of doing so to others. It's all good, we should express our opinions but should be mindful we don't do to others that which we don't like done to us. Andre puzzles me, at one moment he reports he has done Christian volunteer work in Africa, a very noble act I must say, but then speaks rather negatively on Christianity.

I was part of the continuation of the Desposni churches work there, not Christian,although I was early in my life and went to a Christian bible college by my own means and studied scripture there.

Im against the Roman take over of what was once a love based church of followers,to this day they are still against us because we claim their God of fear is the false worship as warned about and the moving of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday as warned about also in scripture is wholly their doing.

The Sabbath was made for man, man was not made for the Sabbath.

Read on,Its not a book of excuses.

not quite sure what that comment means. There is an interesting passage in Collossians 2: 16-17. They seem to lean more to celebrating the resurrection and meeting/breaking bread (institution of the Eucharist) on Sundays as it was the day Christ rose. From very early on the topic was addressed by several saints. I found several interesting writings including from one of my favorites, Augustine. However, what you say is not without merit. I found the passage I mentioned in Collissians very interesting. It seems the solemnity for the early Christians was changing to the day of the risen Christ.I always enjoy these topics mostly when they become discussions not arguments. To me, the highest form of thought is theology. I'm not big on preaching but I did have two people close to me convert to Catholicism through our discussions. I don't take credit for that but that is where our discussions led. I had a good friend who was Islamic and man we had some great discussions. Sure, we both came from the point of few where we felt we were both right but we had respect for each other and each other's faith. There are some intense versus in the Koran about killing the non believer but there are others about letting him go on his way. He couldn't always reconcile the two for me but none the less we learned a lot from each other.

I think its hard to reconcile the differences in all scripture writings whatever the religion;Thats why I said they are not a book of excuses (so people can point to a verse and say see I can kill or see I can judge,or I can change ceremony, names, dates etc to our human needs. I think the stories run deeper into situations and outcomes than single verse or chapters to justify ones actions or lack of.

Understood, but I was not trying to justify or reason anything, I was seeking to understand @Andre, that is why I pointed out another scripture worrying and referenced writings from the early church fathers on the subject. I don't know if you are familiar with the verse I cited.

Yeah as with any subject in the bible you can read a number of different things in different contexts. Theres one in there somewhere that says the first sign of someone who is falling away will be them not keeping the Sabbath. Im sure theres over a hundred more in all in different contexts too.

[walrus]

I agree one hundred percent that is why I believe there is a final authority on such matters