Marciano didn't "nurse" his '0' losses

**Beanz** · 07-16-2015 02:34 AM

Originally Posted by imp

Would rocky have beaten frazier?

No Chance. Not in a month of Sundays.

**imp** · 07-16-2015 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

Originally Posted by imp

Would rocky have beaten frazier?

No Chance. Not in a month of Sundays.

Exactly.

Rocky is a Top 15-20 heavyweight and it just goes to show that the big 0 doesn't always mean your the best.

JC was undefeated and would have been a problem for any super middleweight in any era but the same can't be said for rocky.

**imp** · 07-16-2015 04:41 AM

Mafia made most of rockys fights winnable.

**Beanflicker** · 07-16-2015 05:43 AM

Rocky was champ for 3 years, Mayweather has been champ for 17 years!

**beenKOed** · 07-16-2015 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Rocky was champ for 3 years, Mayweather has been champ for 17 years!

Marciano fought 8 years and fought everyone. Floyd has fought for 19 years and has been cherry picking for 9 of those or ever since he split with Top Rank.
I'm not knocking Floyd for tiptoeing through a minefield of boxers but it does piss me off when you guys want to hammer Marciano for fighting whoever was placed in front of him for the best money.

**Beanflicker** · 07-16-2015 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by beenKOed

Marciano fought 8 years and fought everyone. Floyd has fought for 19 years and has been cherry picking for 9 of those or ever since he split with Top Rank.
I'm not knocking Floyd for tiptoeing through a minefield of boxers but it does piss me off when you guys want to hammer Marciano for fighting whoever was placed in front of him for the best money.

If we're talking about the quality of fighters Floyd beat compared to what Rocky beat, it's not even a discussion. Floyd's resume DWARFS Marciano's.

I love this fairy tale that gets told about guys from the old days fighting nothing but the best guys, never picking their fights, ect. What a load of shit. Rocky fought in an era where boxing was controlled by the mob, and if you weren't connected then good luck getting a shot. And if you were a black fighter without the proper connections, good luck. There was no internet, no great access to information. Unless you were an insider, you knew only about the guys that were pushed by the papers and TV. Read Lamotta's book, he talks all about it. He wasn't playing ball with the mob so he had to fight on the smokers in New York and Detroit, which were filled with great black fighters who weren't connected. A lot of whom, according to Jake, were ducked by the champs and top contenders, and would have chased a lot of them out of the ring.

Do we really believe that Don Cockell was the best HW contender when Rocky fought him? That there wasn't some young black kid, some athletic freak, he could have fought instead? I mean how naive are we?