gay marriage in the US

[walrus]

My problem with Christianity is they judge others when specifically told not to.
Also Romes version that is now the modern take on the old religion of love and peace: ad rules and fear and you are all back to judgment once again, against his word.

Well, you ate blaming the religion when in reality it is humans falling short. I truly wish I could live the gospel, but I fall short. Having said that it has helped to greatly decrease my many character defects. The problems with Christianity is we humans. Not christ. If you don't follow Rome, fine, your more than entitled. I wouldn't try to change you, to the believer, my words are irrelevant to the non believer, they would not change your mind. I just ask we respect one another's belief.

[Beanz]

Some beliefs are dangerous and should be challenged. If you love your fellow man then surely that is the right thing to do ?

[SlimTrae]

Also Romes version that is now the modern take on the old religion of love and peace: ad rules and fear and you are all back to judgment once again, against his word.

If you don't follow Rome, fine, your more than entitled. I wouldn't try to change you, to the believer, .

How do you view Martin Luther and the reformation? More so, the puritans who made the pilgrimage to this country who came with the Geneva Bible which was disliked by the King at the time. Some even had the Tyndale Bible or that which he finished-NT before being executed for doing so. If I understand: neither were government approved.

I offer no criticism. Just interested to know how a catholic such as yourself views the first settlers of this land that didn't use the catholic bible, Just curious-- considering that you come across as an American Patriot, proud of your country- and rightfully so.

[walrus]

Also Romes version that is now the modern take on the old religion of love and peace: ad rules and fear and you are all back to judgment once again, against his word.

If you don't follow Rome, fine, your more than entitled. I wouldn't try to change you, to the believer, .

How do you view Martin Luther and the reformation? More so, the puritans who made the pilgrimage to this country who came with the Geneva Bible which was disliked by the King at the time. Some even had the Tyndale Bible or that which he finished-NT before being executed for doing so. If I understand: neither were government approved.

I offer no criticism. Just interested to know how a catholic such as yourself views the first settlers of this land that didn't use the catholic bible, Just curious-- considering that you come across as an American Patriot, proud of your country- and rightfully so.

At the time of the reformation there is no doubt the church needed it. However, there was a movement within the church to do so. Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who chose to take a wife. Luther had some legitimate gripes. I look at the pilgrims who came here as brave sons of guns. Damn, that long boat ride with so little knowledge of the new world. I don't know if I could do it. They were driven by desire to spread their faith. Very very fascinating people.

And beanz, I saw no systems of belief that I or Andre loquated that might be taken as dangerous.

[Beanz]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

[Beanflicker]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

Yes, and can you imagine the impact this had on the spread of AIDs in African countries?

These people should be strung up!

[Andre]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

Yes, and can you imagine the impact this had on the spread of AIDs in African countries?

These people should be strung up!

In Africa some tribes believed (through their sharmans etc that it was the whites trying to take over by stopping them breading they didn't believe us about aids till it was way too late.

Then the sharmans of one massive tribe the Zulu told the infected they could rid themselves of it by taking a virgin. Fucking dreadful chain of events for the rural area slums below Johannesburg, rape of little babies even,the place is a mess below the mess you get to see on film.

[Beanflicker]

In Africa some tribes believed (through their sharmans etc that it was the whites trying to take over by stopping them breading they didn't believe us about aids till it was way too late.

Oh, well nuts to them, then.

[SlimTrae]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

Yes, and can you imagine the impact this had on the spread of AIDs in African countries?
AIDs broke out in several countries at the same time --with different strains. HTVLI,II, III for example. Same time there- in America the strand were found in white gay men early 1970's surely they didn't infect Africa. Since it is retro active virus -this suggests that a condom cant stop it-as the molecular size and structure -would allow it to go straight through the latex- the condom is a myth- it can stop STD's but not the virus, AIDS which can succumb to HIV

These people should be strung up!

In Africa some tribes believed (through their by stopping them breading they didn't believe us about aids till it was way too late.

This comes from the teachings of the last great leader known as Queen Ndongo or Queen Ann.

She devoted her life to resettling those who fled slavery that was sweeping across the continent
She allowed women to bear girls without consequence or gender bias. As a result she fought wars with the slave captors- personally going into battle- as a result of victories -:she began settlements, trading posts, education- as she learned to read & write. Warning that this can only exist -so as long as we have no contact with these white skinned peoples.
Stay with me...close to my point!
Her greatest legacy:

Her meeting with The Portuguese governor João Correia de Sousa, who did not offer a chair to sit , instead, had placed a floor mat for her to sit on the ground, . As told today by the Italian priest Cavazzi and written in his book of 1687: unwilling to be degraded- she ordered one of her servants to get down on the ground and sat on the servant's back during negotiations. By doing this, she asserted her status was equal to the governor.

Queen of Andongo" Ndongo her name: (rainha de Andongo), was offered a chance to speak with the Portugeese leader---who didn't honor their contract (to not take their land or enslave their people)

-even though she took their Christian name (Ann & became a Christian) --( -- in 1646, Queen Ndongo went to war & defeated the Portuguese - in what they deemed as the most humiliating defeat. She devoted her efforts to resettling former slaves and allowing women to bear children. The people adored her.

Then the sharmans of one massive tribe the Zulu told the infected they could rid themselves of it by taking a virgin. Fucking dreadful chain of events for the rural area slums below Johannesburg, rape of little babies even,the place is a mess below the mess you get to see on film.

Ann aka Queen Ndongo was successful in uniting various tribes that had succumbed to fleeing their lands as to not be made captive. Her tribe not only grew in numbers, but in strength- she stated to her tribe- allowing these white men to enter our land- after I have disposed of them, will surely bring death to us. They seek to take our land, our resources, enslave our men, rape our women and then indoctrinate us into a religion that offers no peace on earth.

My point: Where she ruled- became the last solace for Africans- where they had civility aka civilized people- So as long as they kept these white skinned men away- they had peace.
She did the opposite of the natives in America: not knowing how to stop these men with sticks of thunder (guns) ..not knowing which side to take- some natives sided with France, others with Spain, others with Britian..then having their contracts not honored- was what Ann prevented in her land.

When she died, those who succeeded her- allowed whites to come in as missionaries- they were followed by centurions claiming to protect them. Followed by militia- Those who stayed would be the ones apart of the global slave trade- The ports were where there were civilized people- are the remnants of her tribal people. Contrary to Christians, Europeans, the slaves taken were civilized, not savage. It is stupid to think a savage would succumb to anything; savages are incapable of that.

Those who ran away- had no land, resources, succumbing to survival in the swamps producing the very African savages U see today.

These fleeing Africans- produced one who became known to us as Shaka Zulu- he grew up hearing how these white skinned men brought death to us- so when U type sharmans etc that it was the whites trying to take over

is the result of Ndongo's words coming to fruition. In fact today there are many tribes who wont take medicine that can cure them because they fear the vaccines also brings death-another means to wipe them out. Ndongo preached that & to this day those tribes who don't use her name, have heard her plea through their leaders aka charmins.



The taking of virgins are concepts conceived out of ignorant people who became savage due to no stable land they could maintain- nomadic, nutrition deficient, no education, only the strong survives in these predicaments. AKA Shaka.

[walrus]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

But as a Jew you do feel the act of sex should always be open to the creation of humanity. Do you not believe all life is precious. Is it negative to have a teaching that desires people respect sex for its intended use. No to perverse it. You should look into Pope Benedict's comments on contraception. He said in one talk the use of condoms for some, such as an aids infected prostitute may be the first step in this person becoming whole. I am paraphrasing quite a bit here. If we want to understand each other, don't just look at the teaching but at least seek the theology behind the teaching. You will probably still disagree but you may have a better understanding.

[Beanz]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

But as a Jew you do feel the act of sex should always be open to the creation of humanity. Do you not believe all life is precious. Is it negative to have a teaching that desires people respect sex for its intended use. No to perverse it. You should look into Pope Benedict's comments on contraception. He said in one talk the use of condoms for some, such as an aids infected prostitute may be the first step in this person becoming whole. I am paraphrasing quite a bit here. If we want to understand each other, don't just look at the teaching but at least seek the theology behind the teaching. You will probably still disagree but you may have a better understanding.

Even as an agnostic I recognise that Judaism itself, like Christianity is a distortion of what the Hebrew prophets sought to teach. I don't need to tell you that the dignity of women is a central part of Hebrew culture because the strong woman as Queen of the household is something that still exists in Jewish culture today. It is her right to enjoy sex as much as men and the idea of intended use just opens the doorway for the Christian concept of sin or falling short. So no, I Don't believe that sex should be reserved solely for procreation, or that myself, or the millions of others across the planet who agree, should then be assumed, to treat life as somehow being less precious.

If you really think Pope Benedict condoning "the use of condoms for some, such as an aids infected prostitute may be the first step in this person becoming whole" is somehow progressive or enlightened, then I can only marvel at how dark the world you live in is, under the man made rules and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

[walrus]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

But as a Jew you do feel the act of sex should always be open to the creation of humanity. Do you not believe all life is precious. Is it negative to have a teaching that desires people respect sex for its intended use. No to perverse it. You should look into Pope Benedict's comments on contraception. He said in one talk the use of condoms for some, such as an aids infected prostitute may be the first step in this person becoming whole. I am paraphrasing quite a bit here. If we want to understand each other, don't just look at the teaching but at least seek the theology behind the teaching. You will probably still disagree but you may have a better understanding.

Even as an agnostic I recognise that Judaism itself, like Christianity is a distortion of what the Hebrew prophets sought to teach. I don't need to tell you that the dignity of women is a central part of Hebrew culture because the strong woman as Queen of the household is something that still exists in Jewish culture today. It is her right to enjoy sex as much as men and the idea of intended use just opens the doorway for the Christian concept of sin or falling short. So no, I Don't believe that sex should be reserved solely for procreation, or that myself, or the millions of others across the planet who agree, should then be assumed, to treat life as somehow being less precious.

If you really think Pope Benedict condoning "the use of condoms for some, such as an aids infected prostitute may be the first step in this person becoming whole" is somehow progressive or enlightened, then I can only marvel at how dark the world you live in is, under the man made rules and teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

No, I was trying to let you know there is more to the issue than "don't use birth control" but I now see you are not interested in hearing anything other than what you think. You really think I live in a dark place huh, interesting.

[Andre]

It is a sin to use contraception. Spreading that belief in an already over populated third world country is pretty dangerous. In the Catholic Church though you get sainted for it.

Smart as really, if you want to take over the world without war copy that and Muslim ways average 6 off spring and every 18 years or so you get 36 then 216 then 1296 is the next figure and thats one families growth over 54 years. They are smart and want growth thats how they have all that wealth in property and gold.People used to buy their way to heaven by leaving everything to the church.

[Andre]

My problem with Christianity is they judge others when specifically told not to.
Also Romes version that is now the modern take on the old religion of love and peace: ad rules and fear and you are all back to judgment once again, against his word.

Well, you are blaming the religion when in reality it is humans falling short. .

Well,Im not blaming Yeshua or his original followers,they weren't Christians though that came 100 years later beginning exactly what I am against.