floyd vs berto.......meh

[J_Undisputed]

Floyd is not a one trick pony, he has an arsenal above and beyond that of everyone he fights according to most fighters... if 5% is all he needs to beat some of these guys, then he's happy and most wont demand more of him. I do. If you use %5 and get a close decision or what ifs, then you deserve whatever flack comes your way.

Do you really believe Floyd is beating guys like Manny Pacquaio using 5% of his potential? I mean come on dude.

Boxing is about hitting and not getting hit, and most importantly it's about winning fights. People have this expectation that Floyd should come out and fight like Arturo Gatti, even though he has the ability to beat a guy and take very little damage.

Nobody gives Willie Pep shit and says he should have been more aggressive and went for the KO more, and nobody accuses him of not putting in a good effort despite very rarely scoring a stoppage. Nobody shits on Ali (now that Bill Paxtom is gone, anyway) that he never KO'd so and so and just cruised to a victory.

It's just haters being haters. When haters want to hate on a guy, they bring up his losses and his pitfalls and say "ha ha". Floyd haters can't do that because he's never lost and 99% of his career has been in-ring brilliance. So they have to resort to saying things like "oh he fights like a coward" (while praising guys like Willie Pep) and "oh he's egotistical, he beats up women, he's greedy, ect" (all of which Sugar Ray Robinson and many other great champions were and did). All I'm saying is be consistent. If Floyd stinks because he loves money, then everyone stinks too. If you want to say he's garbage because he beat up his girlfriend or doesn't get a lot of KO's, then you're also saying a lot of great champions of the past are garbage as well.

5% of course is an exaggeration; How about 45? 65% 70% or does even 80% make anyone feel better about the money they spend to Listen to/ watch this...
https://youtu.be/x8LuQItZaDs

and this...
https://youtu.be/v0LSsphSesY

and this...


and with all his speed, hard work, dedication, ring generalship accuracy and defense in the pocket... not be able to pick up counter punching opportunities that a much slower marquez feasted on for 4 fights. Or the overhand right that marquez laid the blueprint for... so he could do this....



https://youtu.be/jC9bTx0NcGE

He wasn't more capable than that? That was his 100% hard work, dedication, accuracy, speed, pedigree.. from a a man born in the boxing gym? Noone says he has to engage meet every fighter in the middle of the ring, or even spend the whole fight sacrificing him his pretty boy mug for counter punching opportunities. But after 4 round or even 6, you don't think he could have landed some combinations, some counter punching opportunities or went on the offensive for more than 10 seconds collectively, with the arsenal at his disposal? (and his 1000 dollar specially prepared meals) Especially after he catches pac coming in and freezes him and stands there staring at him? And now, he's going to wipe his butt with Berto, who's been beat by guerrero, ortiz, and pounded by soto karass... I could be alone in my perspective, but he's not doing enough for what hes capable of to be called the best ever.

[Beanflicker]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

[Master]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

[ruthless rocco]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

....but he's most certainly TBE!!!

[Gandalf]

It is a piss take fight and should be ignored.

[ruthless rocco]

It is a piss take fight and should be ignored.

...this coming from a guy who'll make 16 posts about his ever changing day to day feelings about the new Modest Mouse, Manic Street Preachers or Muse albums!

[Gandalf]

It is a piss take fight and should be ignored.

...this coming from a guy who'll make 16 posts about his ever changing day to day feelings about the new Modest Mouse, Manic Street Preachers or Muse albums!

I would take the new Muse album at the retail price over a free Floyd Mayweather fight in a heartbeat. The new Modest Mouse is more on a par with the Mayweather/Berto fight. A bit rubbish.

[Beanflicker]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

And Robinson was a brawler?

Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.

I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.

[Master]

Do not compare Floyd with SRR, Mayweather is a boring ass, safety first boring flash shit of a boxer.

And Robinson was a brawler?

Robinson had a lot of great KOs that look great in a 4 minute highlight film, but if you go back and watch a lot of his full fights, he was largely a dancing safety-first guy.

I think a lot of people have an inflated view of guys like Ray Robinson and Ali, because they've only seen the big fights and the highlights. It's like listening to a band's Greatest Hits album. You have to go back and listen to the full discography to get a real grasp on the band. Both of those guys danced, ran, stalled, jabbed and CLINCHED their way to many a victory.

Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.

[Beanflicker]

Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.

Yeah Robinson could punch... so could Floyd. Like I said, you're talking a 54% KO ratio for Floyd and a 62% for Robinson. Not a whole lot of difference in there.

Ali's great because he was champ and beat great fighters, not because he chose to fight past his prime and catch a case of Parkinsons.

[Master]

Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.

Yeah Robinson could punch... so could Floyd. Like I said, you're talking a 54% KO ratio for Floyd and a 62% for Robinson. Not a whole lot of difference in there.

Ali's great because he was champ and beat great fighters, not because he chose to fight past his prime and catch a case of Parkinsons.

Big difference in KO percentage, do not talk nonsence now to support Floyd.

Yes Ali went on too long, Floyd should retire as well.

[C.J.Rock]

Robinson could punch and entertain fans, Ali took challenges way past his prime, these guys will be remembered in boxing history Floyd will be quickly forgotten because of his forgettable performances.

Yeah Robinson could punch... so could Floyd. Like I said, you're talking a 54% KO ratio for Floyd and a 62% for Robinson. Not a whole lot of difference in there.

Ali's great because he was champ and beat great fighters, not because he chose to fight past his prime and catch a case of Parkinsons.

You don't CATCH Parkinsons syndrome Ali was showing signs of the disease after the third Frazier fight. That's why Ferdi Pacheco left him he could see it happening. There is no way in hell Ali was fit to fight Holmes & as for Berbick that was disgraceful.
Floyd hasn't retired yet . Mores the pity !!! When he does he'll soon run out of $$$ & be back fighting again & be in car parks signing pics & telling kids " I I used to be TBE ""

[J_Undisputed]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

First, I never said he had to fight Marquez's fight. Second, I never said he needed to be a ko artist to be great. What I said was with his speed,ring generalship, experience, intelligence and all the other things that he claims makes him "the best ever" , he should have been able to take advantage of at least some of those opportunities and not paid the price. He could have, tied up, circled out or used his footwork to slip out after he did. Instead he chose to do all of that without even trying because he already had your money and then stood there cheering for himself in the closing seconds while he played keep away. Again, he's entitled to do that if the refs,the broadcasters, the sanctioning bodies and some of the fans believe it's a superb showcase of his talents and believe it's work 32 million. Other fans are entitled to their opinion too that it's a farce for someone who claims to be the best ever in a combatitive support to rarely choose to be combatitive... And they refuse too support or credit him for it.

[Beanflicker]

First, I never said he had to fight Marquez's fight. Second, I never said he needed to be a ko artist to be great. What I said was with his speed,ring generalship, experience, intelligence and all the other things that he claims makes him "the best ever" , he should have been able to take advantage of at least some of those opportunities and not paid the price. He could have, tied up, circled out or used his footwork to slip out after he did. Instead he chose to do all of that without even trying because he already had your money and then stood there cheering for himself in the closing seconds while he played keep away. Again, he's entitled to do that if the refs,the broadcasters, the sanctioning bodies and some of the fans believe it's a superb showcase of his talents and believe it's work 32 million. Other fans are entitled to their opinion too that it's a farce for someone who claims to be the best ever in a combatitive support to rarely choose to be combatitive... And they refuse too support or credit him for it.

What you're saying really doesn't make sense to me.

You're saying Floyd never tried against Pacquiao.

So Floyd beat Pacquiao without even trying? As good as Pac is? If that's true, how can he not be the greatest of all time?

And you're playing "armchair quarterback" and saying what Floyd Mayweather SHOULD have done in the ring. Come on man...

Boxing is about winning, hitting and not getting hit. Every great champion has subscribed to this philosophy.

I've seen people hail Pac as the new Henry Armstrong, I've seen them say Floyd is terrified of him, that Pac would destroy Floyd and that's why Floyd won't fight him.

Not only does Floyd beat him, but he makes EASY WORK out of him. He barely breaks a sweat. He took Pac's best straight left, got pushed against the ropes, got flurried on by Pac and looked him right in the eye, smiled and shook his head like "nope, you got nothing." And that's not skill? That's not greatness? Making easy work out of a fellow ATG is not impressive? That's just silly.

[C.J.Rock]

You say Floyd should have fought more like JMM against Pac... but in JMM's 4 fights with Pac, he absorbed a ton of damage, was knocked on his ass at least half a dozen times, had his nose shattered, face cut up... and most importantly, he went 1/4 against Pac (even though most of us can agree he deserved at least one or two of those decisions).

In the first 3 fights, Manny landed an average 160.3 punches per fight on Marquez.

Against Mayweather, Manny landed half of that - 81 punches in total.

And most importantly, Floyd won a wide, uncontroversial decision over Pac.

So you really think Floyd should have fought more like JMM? Yeah, it would have been more entertaining for the fans, but why make anything harder than it needs to be?

And again, why do you have to be a KO artist to be considered great? Floyd has a 54% KO ratio... not great, but SRR (if you just look at his wins) only has a 62% KO ratio, and he's considered TBE. So your logic is full of holes and inconsistencies, as is usually the case with Floyd haters.

The ONLY reasons why Pac landed less punches on Floyd was because Floyd ran like a bitch. He tasted Pacs power in round 1 & from then on ran , held like a limpet & pulled of Pac's right arm every chance he got. What happened to Floyd's bragging " I'm going to come out aggressive take the fight to Pacquaio & go for the KO" ?? ROFLMAO
Instead we got the same cowardly Mayweather we always see. Heck he'd got an injured opponent fighting in pain, because he'd been sabotaged by the NSAC. Yet STILL !!! the coward ran scared. There is no way in hell anyone can say Floydeasilly won that fight He didn't He struggled. In my opinion Moretti ought to be fired for that ludicrous 118-110 card. 115-113 at best for Mayweather