The Fight: Walrus vs SlimTrae (Political Objectivity)

[greynotsoold]

You took that even more personally than I did when you called me a conservative a couple weeks ago.
I drove truck for a bit in 08 before my health sidelined me. I took my last 34 hour reset in Grand Junction.

[SlimTrae]

You took that even more personally than I did when you called me a conservative a couple weeks ago.
I drove truck for a bit in 08 before my health sidelined me. I took my last 34 hour reset in Grand Junction.

Oh, heck ya, I did!
1. I've never heard of anyone ever being offended being called: conservative. Those who use it -take ultimate pride in the word.
2. I don't remember calling you that- but I take your word for it- It was NOT meant as an insult. Rather it dealt with the topic at hand- if need be & you don't consider yourself one: I apologize.
3. How can I not be insulted by someone who called me a closet liberal for: REFUSING to vote PERIOD? That is ridiculous.
4. How would/should one respond when after being called such-with a caveat of they fought in a war- winning a Purple Heart- what does that have to do with ANYTHING? Teach me, please!? Then end with profanity? as in DAMMIT!?
5. Coming from a poster that you knew--I mean KNEW you could copy their every thought on politics to prove your point- they don't call out both parties.

Again if you took offense to me calling you a conservative- I have no issues reading what you wrote-
That I could thenb place myself in that timeframe- and explain why I called you that.

Surely you and I can agree on this:LMost people who call themselves conservatives love the word, while few on this board call themselves...liberals... with pride. Let alone a closet liberal.

[SlimTrae]

@ Grey-Technically I am still in training- my trainer took his 34 reset- I have 18 more hours to go. Tough industry- but when my job got sent overseas, I blamed no politician be it the Democratic President or the Republican Governor of my state: I took personal responsibility and went from working in Information & Technology for 18 years to now being a 46 year (young) man who kept a valid license and seeks work where it is available.

I hope your health has improved since.

[walrus]

In retrospect its kind of funny you got so mad but I do apologize for upsetting you, it wasn't my intent. I do have to say your critiques lay more against the repubs than the dems. I was just surprised about you not voting. I brought up my war time but in reality it's the big picture I was looking at. Wars going back to the American Revolution getting us the right to vote. The constitution is a beautiful thing. I'm always disappointed when the voting turn out is less than half the country. It baffles me. Having said that our freedom comes with the right not to vote. So when I mentioned my war time service it was actually a reflection of all war time service. I read and watch quite a bit of politics but currently I'm on a world political kick. The world is an interesting place. I have been reading mainly on the politics of the middle east and Africa. Africa got some scary stuff going on. One article I read was called Jahadafrica due to the large amount of radical Islam popping up over the continent.

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

[Gandalf]

In retrospect its kind of funny you got so mad but I do apologize for upsetting you, it wasn't my intent. I do have to say your critiques lay more against the repubs than the dems. I was just surprised about you not voting. I brought up my war time but in reality it's the big picture I was looking at. Wars going back to the American Revolution getting us the right to vote. The constitution is a beautiful thing. I'm always disappointed when the voting turn out is less than half the country. It baffles me. Having said that our freedom comes with the right not to vote. So when I mentioned my war time service it was actually a reflection of all war time service. I read and watch quite a bit of politics but currently I'm on a world political kick. The world is an interesting place. I have been reading mainly on the politics of the middle east and Africa. Africa got some scary stuff going on. One article I read was called Jahadafrica due to the large amount of radical Islam popping up over the continent.

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

If the constitution is so beautiful (and I think it is) what do you think about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin? Hasn't it almost become Caesar politics, a dictatorship with a kind of pretend election pantomime thing thrown in every 5 years where only the most deceptive or outlandish is allowed to get in and continue to carry out war crimes which shall go unpunished as the world simply doesn't have a backbone.

[walrus]

Believe me Miles I am very disappointed in what both sides of our government and judicial branch have done with the Constitution.in its essence it is beautiful but it is ignored all to often.

[Gandalf]

Believe me Miles I am very disappointed in what both sides of our government and judicial branch have done with the Constitution.in its essence it is beautiful but it is ignored all to often.

I agree with you about the constitution. It is a great thing and one of the main things I respect about America, but to see the death of rule by law and into tyranny upsets me. Obama is a despicable President that way. All that good will and he took it all further. A new Nuremberg is needed for the Bushes, Cheney's, Blair's etc. All in good time.

[SlimTrae]

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

<<<-- I'm sure U deserved it.



If the constitution is so beautiful (and I think it is) what do you think about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin?

1. May I recommend: Henry C. Clausen's book: Masons Who Helped Shape Our Nation- He was Sovereign Grand Commander of the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry
2. Check out these patriots: Patrick Henry George Mason -google their thoughts on the constitution: They saw it as a blueprint for empire and fought it. No shit; really.
3. The Bill of Rights was added at their insistence as a defense against the Constitution.
4. Or check out the book(s) Federalist Papers vs The Anti Federalists Papers- One side is for the constitution the other against- Need I remind: there were no liberals or conservatives (by definition) at the time- so both sides were IMO founding fathers- its just the side that won- laid the losing side to historical obscurity.


Hasn't it almost become Caesar politics, a dictatorship with a kind of pretend election pantomime thing thrown in every 5 years where only the most deceptive or outlandish is allowed to get in and continue to carry out war crimes which shall go unpunished as the world simply doesn't have a backbone.

Yes, from my perspective it has-
Bankers like Hamilton (the dude on our 10$ bill) & the Federalists didn't want any enumerated rights.
5. When it comes to that document talking about bearing arms? Check out the book called Shay's Rebellion.
A disgruntled Veteran who took arms up against the government he fought for- the powers that be used it to their advantage to create this new federal army- when in truth --the very rag tag group of fighters the federalist claimed couldn't stop foreign forces....were the very ones who won the revolution Shay included, go figure.
6. Today: the people who take sides with the anti-federalists- claim this:
The constitution has become the engine of crimes, authorizing such racketeering as the private Federal Reserve Corporation and its collection agency, the IRS.
7. They claim the 17th amendment-- the states lost representation as well as an overextension of federal power and the rise of special interest groups to groups that can influence the senators elected.
8. While sounding well intentions for the 1st amendment of free speech- it also has become a license to corrupt.

We all should have the right to say something- But the founding fathers didn't have a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to regulate a technology they knew nothing about called radio, television & internet- which uses the 1st amendment to promote pornography in movies gays on television, hate talk shows on radio a form of music called rap denigrating women as whores & bitches.

So when you questioned about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin?


It (could) be- because that very document--- piece by piece; challenged the other document-
The Declaration of Independence -

Let me find a quote to end this BRB...

[SlimTrae]

The claim: Masonic Federalists met to modify the existing Articles of Confederation -Their main gripe was-the Articles gave no power to the central government. It purposely kept the central government weak.

Today I hear the Republicans making the claim that Government has too much power and not enough to the states- to them I suggest- read the words of the anti federalists. Like it or not they said it would happened- and they aren't prophets.

The Freemasons wanted a central bank & a central government to enforce it. Interesting that before George Washing passed- America was in debt to this central bank- privatized. aka Bank of the United States.
Washington Hamilton & Franklin consulted one Robert Morris who had got his Masonic apron from Washington in 1778, was named Superintendent of Finance in 1781 and when the Bank of North America was opened in 1782. Guess who the Original stockholders were.. Don't know, Ok I'll tell ya it was: Franklin, Jefferson, Hamilton, Monroe and Jay. Guys like Hamilton got rich- at the same time America went into debt, I'm serious. check it out!!


So the Constitution could be considered a document to emulate the Masons Constitution- to which was made before ours- and Ben Franklin had it. Not all founding fathers were Masons, to which is why there was great debates in shaping the nation.

But if we want to know who got the upper hand- read the federalist - today their dreams have been fulfilled- BUT look at who they were.
Then compare with the anti federalists who lost the verbal war- and ask yourselve- if you were living back then whose side would u take
The Federalists
or
The Anti Federalists.



I point these things out- because the very document that was to keep this shit at bay--got amended-over and over. Until it became the very tool used to bring to fruition the right to tax the people, for starters.

Last - I am under the impression that the U.S. Constitution if laid side by side with the Masonic Constitution- would look very similar. One preceding the other. The latter: ours.

[SlimTrae]

In retrospect its kind of funny you got so mad but I do apologize for upsetting you, it wasn't my intent. I do have to say your critiques lay more against the repubs than the dems. I was just surprised about you not voting. I brought up my war time but in reality it's the big picture I was looking at. Wars going back to the American Revolution getting us the right to vote. The constitution is a beautiful thing. I'm always disappointed when the voting turn out is less than half the country. It baffles me. Having said that our freedom comes with the right not to vote. So when I mentioned my war time service it was actually a reflection of all war time service. I read and watch quite a bit of politics but currently I'm on a world political kick. The world is an interesting place. I have been reading mainly on the politics of the middle east and Africa. Africa got some scary stuff going on. One article I read was called Jahadafrica due to the large amount of radical Islam popping up over the continent.

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

well.. Wasn't funny to me. Calling me a liberal- then a closet liberal on the basis of saying I'm not voting- made no sense then and even less the day after- It is difficult for me to conceive that idea just popped in your head, rather: That is something you have longed thought to label me as-

Yes I do my best to donkey stomp Republicans- Yet again- I have just laid out 3 pages of me denigrating Democrats: by name.
Question: Can you find 3 posts, not pages. 3 posts of you doing that to Republicans?
See that is my point - no ill will when I say this -rather logic- who r -u to point it out?

And when U state surprised- I'm not voting. Then it would have been better to say : Hey Slim I'm surprised your not voting as opposed to
1. You took the easy way out
2. You are a closet liberal- I mean c'mon man, what did U expect from me? a mea culpa?


Responding to your take on the Constitution: Yes, it has the potential to be a document of beauty- Ron Paul really loves it as well. But it IMO & perspective; it has been an instrument used against the people.

Last: Sure enuff we cant keep up with all of our posts, comments, -yet U should consider this: You stated to me in the 1st few pages of the prez thread- that U were in the same boat- when I said back then I wasn't voting.

See I got down like Ron Paul Style- aka I don't change positions very often.
But I allege you changed like a chameleon- 1st U stated Rubio was the man. Then U posted me and said Condi was someone U'd consider (even though she wasn't running) then; you said you were in my boat.
3 different statements about who U were voting for or not for in 2016.
One for me.
A closeted liberal? Ok, but I prefer to say I'm a partisan beatdown artist, looking for a Conservative to slay.
Liberals don't respond to me in debate fashion when I denigrate Hillary as the consummate liar- claims Obama waltzed into the W-House with no credentials, Bill Clinton allowed drug running in Mena Arkansas, Democratic voters are like sheep- easy to lead astray, fucking up the airwaves with a pro-gay agenda. So how can I argue with ghosts? They don't oppose my statements.
But Conservatives are like masochists. They just got to F' up & try a bruh..and I like it!!
I'm Slim Trae The Conservative Killer- it's what I DO.
Hell. It's easy.

[SlimTrae]

[Master]

I support Slim and hope he kicks walrus ass. No spiritual leader of Saddo should cause this much outrage.

[walrus]

In retrospect its kind of funny you got so mad but I do apologize for upsetting you, it wasn't my intent. I do have to say your critiques lay more against the repubs than the dems. I was just surprised about you not voting. I brought up my war time but in reality it's the big picture I was looking at. Wars going back to the American Revolution getting us the right to vote. The constitution is a beautiful thing. I'm always disappointed when the voting turn out is less than half the country. It baffles me. Having said that our freedom comes with the right not to vote. So when I mentioned my war time service it was actually a reflection of all war time service. I read and watch quite a bit of politics but currently I'm on a world political kick. The world is an interesting place. I have been reading mainly on the politics of the middle east and Africa. Africa got some scary stuff going on. One article I read was called Jahadafrica due to the large amount of radical Islam popping up over the continent.

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

well.. Wasn't funny to me. Calling me a liberal- then a closet liberal on the basis of saying I'm not voting- made no sense then and even less the day after- It is difficult for me to conceive that idea just popped in your head, rather: That is something you have longed thought to label me as-

Yes I do my best to donkey stomp Republicans- Yet again- I have just laid out 3 pages of me denigrating Democrats: by name.
Question: Can you find 3 posts, not pages. 3 posts of you doing that to Republicans?
See that is my point - no ill will when I say this -rather logic- who r -u to point it out?

And when U state surprised- I'm not voting. Then it would have been better to say : Hey Slim I'm surprised your not voting as opposed to
1. You took the easy way out
2. You are a closet liberal- I mean c'mon man, what did U expect from me? a mea culpa?


Responding to your take on the Constitution: Yes, it has the potential to be a document of beauty- Ron Paul really loves it as well. But it IMO & perspective; it has been an instrument used against the people.

Last: Sure enuff we cant keep up with all of our posts, comments, -yet U should consider this: You stated to me in the 1st few pages of the prez thread- that U were in the same boat- when I said back then I wasn't voting.

See I got down like Ron Paul Style- aka I don't change positions very often.
But I allege you changed like a chameleon- 1st U stated Rubio was the man. Then U posted me and said Condi was someone U'd consider (even though she wasn't running) then; you said you were in my boat.
3 different statements about who U were voting for or not for in 2016.
One for me.
A closeted liberal? Ok, but I prefer to say I'm a partisan beatdown artist, looking for a Conservative to slay.
Liberals don't respond to me in debate fashion when I denigrate Hillary as the consummate liar- claims Obama waltzed into the W-House with no credentials, Bill Clinton allowed drug running in Mena Arkansas, Democratic voters are like sheep- easy to lead astray, fucking up the airwaves with a pro-gay agenda. So how can I argue with ghosts? They don't oppose my statements.
But Conservatives are like masochists. They just got to F' up & try a bruh..and I like it!!
I'm Slim Trae The Conservative Killer- it's what I DO.
Hell. It's easy.

Nope, you lost it there. I clearly stated I wasn't enthralled with anyone running but might like Rubio. Condi was moot, she's not running. When I said we were in the same boat I meant with disillusionment, what the he'll are you snorkeling in that liberal closet of yours. I got the good Shit in my libertarian closet. My take on politics has remained the same, I don't enjoy talking about it a lot, find little difference betwixt the two parties. Master has a closet full of porn.

[Gandalf]

Slimtrae is pretty hardcore. I love it!

[SlimTrae]

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well..
Question: Can you find 3 posts, not pages. 3 posts of you doing that to Republicans?
See that is my point - no ill will when I say this -rather logic- who r -u to point it out?


Last: Sure enuff we cant keep up with all of our posts, comments, -yet U should consider this: You stated to me in the 1st few pages of the prez thread- that U were in the same boat- when I said back then I wasn't voting.

A closeted liberal? Ok, but I prefer to say I'm a partisan beatdown artist, looking for a Conservative to slay.

Nope, you lost it there. I clearly stated I wasn't enthralled with anyone running but might like Rubio.
Really? Where is this post at partner?

Condi was moot, she's not running.
To which is why I questioned your motive for mentioning it to me- then I called it uh, moot?:
When I said we were in the same boat I meant with disillusionment,
We'll have to agree to disagree. I am disheartened; you are disillusioned.

what the he'll are you snorkeling in that liberal closet of yours.
Well lets see.. for starters?
The book: Swindled; How the GOP Cheated Ron Paul and Lost Themselves the Election

http://www.amazon.com/Swindled-Cheat.../dp/B00AWT86GE

End the Fed by Ron Paul
Liberty Defined by Ron Paul
The Revolution: A Manifesto by Ron Paul
And the documentary called "Mitt" for starters. The documentary where Mitt states: “In some ways we kind of had to steal the Republican nomination. Our party is Southern, evangelical, and populist. And you’re Northern, and you’re a Mormon, and you’re rich. And these do not match well with our party.”


Statements like the above, books about Ron Paul Delegates being swindled.
Reading articles where John Boehner himself stated that RNC committee rules could pass by a voice vote -- without a full convention vote. Plus reading articles by the conservative leaning Washington Post that verified House rules had been changed-

Ron Paul supporters come up short in rules fight - The Washington Post

Such issues in my closet of virtual knowledge 360 degrees, caused me to state then as I do now- I am disheartened at the hate, narrowness and shallowness of todays parties- and Americans who still back either party.
But based on your posts- I would have to agree, that you sir? Are as you stated: Disillusioned.

I got the good Shit in my libertarian closet.
Sorry to hear your closet is narrowed down to one demographic. But still, please enlighten me: whats in it besides allegations 101 and advanced accusations?

My take on politics has remained the same, I don't enjoy talking about it a lot, find little difference betwixt the two parties.
Not what your posts reveal...
Master has a closet full of porn- in all media format? dvd, vhs, beta and mags I bet! .

Now I'd like to take this to your style, then: Libertarian are you? ok...brb...