iran

[Bill Paxtom]

Yep, Israel is so full of shit. I have no problems with Iran. I respect any nation that wants to be free of occupation and will ban McDonalds. It's the way to go. Could do better on human rights, but they are a lot more free than Americans are.

Before giving your 'honest' opinion.

I suggest you visit Iran for a few weeks, and offer up some your criticism 'openly' about
their Human Rights issues. Maybe in the public square.

I guarantee, that will we never here from you again.

[SlimTrae]

For me, there are several events that have caused irreconcilable differences.

1.Historically speaking Iran knows they had a good relationship with America during her birth as a nation. (seeking to balance the power Russia exerted- Iran willingly courted America) & Did the Shaw have a stable relationship with Israel History seems to say so.

2.Religous dissent played a part in disintegrating their partnership. America was down with the Shaw, but the 1979 overthrow bringing in Khomeini changed that. From their perspective- it appears they saw the brutality of an incoming Baathist party fucking over their muslim brothers- The Exiled Khomeini verified this-when he returned to Iran. (Finding that America supported the regime that caused the Islamic overthrow by a coup -from a political base (Baathists) that didn't help the relations. Saddam by chance came to power & really, really fucked over the Iranians' brothers in Iraq. They knew Saddam was Stalin influenced. America tells a lie and called Saddam a muslim- even though the Baatihist coup- overthrew the Islamic regime.


(The changing of relations)
3.SOFA aka Status of Forces bill (1964) to many there came across as the very thing they attempted to evade from Russia- by siding with U.S.A.- The religious considered this: an agreement for the enslavement of Iran. During this time however-The Shaw turned Iran debtor to creditor- Gr8 for America who sold her goods there, while oil revenues skyrocketed-

Religous dudes questioned it like Khomeini. His claim: Iran was becoming (American) bad food (fast food) blue jeans showing ass and halter top shirts showing titties- music laced with sexual suggestions- Iran was splitting between being religious and westernized.

4 When CIA seemed to step back to allow Shaw to conduct matters- came across to Iranians as a sellout move- they sought to rid him & those complicit_ (USA) causing the hostage crisis- where students took over. Plus allowing Shaw to seek medical treatment in the U.S. -when the Iranians wanted to try him convinced them -America was complicit.

5. Then a crazed ass mofo named Saddam had taken over the Baathist- now ready to wage a war against Iran- and USA initially stepping back- was another damaging blow- When Saadam gassed Iranians- and they witnessed Reagan send Donald Rumsfeld as an emissary to personally shake Hussein's hand and photograph it? That shit was too deep. And when America finally intervened by selling weapons- Iran learned as the rest of the world (USA & Israel) were selling to both nations. How were they supposed to respond to that?


Robert Sick who served under Carter & Reagan has a couple of great books. I can vouch for "October Surprise" which I read- great accounts from a guy who doesn't tout idealism aka Liberalism or Conservatism. Very objective read.

And The Ottoman's Empire: A Peace to end all Peace by professor David Fromkin is a great read to understand how the middle east came to be- including Ira. dating back to Britain and cats like Lawrence of Arabia.


Today's relations with Iran is a mixed bag of politics , religious and financial issues. American media would have us believe it stems from a single issue. Conservative media would have us believe Iran is just an evil place with evil people.

Reality suggests it is a tangled mess that is way too complicated to explain how Iran came to be the way she is today.